Re: Is Junior an example?
Interesting. However, the 1989-2000 version of Junior is almost an entirely different player. I think it would be more telling to compare his numbers this year with his numbers since he started getting injured. Ironically, the way he's getting on base, I'm starting to think they need to move him up in the order.
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I suspect that what we've seen up until now from Junior is the result of A) a bum hand and B) decreased bat speed. I'm not ready to say that he's going the other way on purpose. But it's possible.
Re: Is Junior an example?
It might be a number of things that are causing JR to swing a more effective bat.
1. Limited time in spring training kept him fresher
2. Frustration from the shift, led to a new approach at the plate
3. Maturity he is 37/38 and realizes he can't play like he did at 18
4. Smarter hitter, a guy who has played this long has to have absorbed some knowledge
5. Jacoby working on some of Dunn's troubles could have hit home with JR.
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Natty Redlocks
Interesting. However, the 1989-2000 version of Junior is almost an entirely different player. I think it would be more telling to compare his numbers this year with his numbers since he started getting injured. Ironically, the way he's getting on base, I'm starting to think they need to move him up in the order.
Agreed on the difference in pre- and post-2000. But I'm not so sure moving him up in the order is going to help this team. I think he's good in the 4-5 spots. I'd rather have guys like Hatte, Freel, and Phillips near the top. Guys like Griff, Hamilton, and Dunn need to stay back in the middle of the order.
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UGADaddy
Agreed on the difference in pre- and post-2000. But I'm not so sure moving him up in the order is going to help this team. I think he's good in the 4-5 spots. I'd rather have guys like Hatte, Freel, and Phillips near the top. Guys like Griff, Hamilton, and Dunn need to stay back in the middle of the order.
Pre-2000 Griff needed to stay back in the order. This new Griffey needs to be setting the table for the middle of the order, except, now that he's an on base threat, he's not a stolen base threat (not that he ever really stole a ton). He's also not going to go 1st to 3rd that much. So that shakes up to about a 6 hole hitter in my estimation. That also gives the 4-5 guys some protection just based on the aura of Ken Griffey Jr hitting behind them. If he finds his stroke, then move him back up, but for now he does the most of the team right where he is.
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rotnoid
Pre-2000 Griff needed to stay back in the order. This new Griffey needs to be setting the table for the middle of the order, except, now that he's an on base threat, he's not a stolen base threat (not that he ever really stole a ton). He's also not going to go 1st to 3rd that much. So that shakes up to about a 6 hole hitter in my estimation. That also gives the 4-5 guys some protection just based on the aura of Ken Griffey Jr hitting behind them. If he finds his stroke, then move him back up, but for now he does the most of the team right where he is.
Griffey and Edwin are the only players on the team I don't think 'oh crap here we go again' when they come up with runners on base. Griffey in 35 plate appearances this year with runners on base is hitting .385/.543/.692 for a whopping OPS of 1.235. I want him in the middle of the line up with those numbers, because if other guys are on base for him, he is going to get them in. I dont know what kind of stroke he needs to 'find', he is hitting the ball well.
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This year's Griffey is an example of what happens when he stays patient at the plate. That's why he's getting on base at such a high rate, he's leading the team in walks. Last year was by far his worst year in terms of patience. I've said it over and over again: If Jr. stays patient at the plate and his wrist gets completely healthy he's going to have a fantastic season. His SLG % is still low but it's sky rocketing from where it was earlier this season, and it's on it's way up because his wrist is probably starting to get healthy.
The biggest thing Jr. could do this season to improve on last year's numbers is to BE PATIENT. And for the most part he has this season. And he'll have a very productive season if it continues.
And I agree with what Dougdirt said, although to this point in the season I'd add Brandon Phillips to that list.
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Is anyone else concerned about Griffey's comments after the game last night that suggested his hand still hurt? He broke the hand months ago, has had plenty of time to rest and rehab and it still hurts. Im hoping that this wont be a chronic thing all year, but its beginning to seem like thats a possibility.
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dougdirt
Griffey and Edwin are the only players on the team I don't think 'oh crap here we go again' when they come up with runners on base. Griffey in 35 plate appearances this year with runners on base is hitting .385/.543/.692 for a whopping OPS of 1.235. I want him in the middle of the line up with those numbers, because if other guys are on base for him, he is going to get them in. I dont know what kind of stroke he needs to 'find', he is hitting the ball well.
I was referring to the homerun stroke, but I'll take what we've been given. You're right that there isn't anyone else in the team that gives you confidence when they come to the dish with RISP. I guess I was looking at him in a bigger picture, rather than just how he fits on this team. Some times I forget the big holes we have elsewhere in the line up.