Reds sign Todd Redmond to Major League Contract

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Originally Posted by REDREAD

Probably because our only AAA depth is Cingrani, who may get moved to the bullpen (or might make the ML roster).

You make moves like this (and Janish/Navarro last year) and hope you never have to call them up.

Redmond isn't great, but as of now, he's the best depth we got.

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Redmond is a major leaguer next year, not AAA depth - assuming that the poster is correct who said he is out of options.

If he's on the forty, and he's out of options, he can't be sent down unless he is DFA'd or on injury rehab, as I understand.

I highly doubt the Reds will start Redmond in the rotation. He has no major league experience starting and this doesn't make sense to me on a contender.

More likely he will join (or replace?) Simon as a longer reliever, who can back up as a starter. Maybe Lecure gets promoted to set up man.

Reds now have a bunch of righty MLB relievers on the forty. Arredondo, Hoover, Lecure, Masset, Ondrusek, Redmond, Simon. Assuming two lefties, two righties will have to go.

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Originally Posted by Kc61

Redmond is a major leaguer next year, not AAA depth - assuming that the poster is correct who said he is out of options.

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Yea, my mistake, he is out of options. I remember that now.
The Reds might be able to sneak him down to AAA at the end of spring training though. Not sure if that is the plan, but it's possible.

Maybe this move gives them some flexiblity to trade someone like LeCure/Logan/Arrendondo? Maybe the plan is to make Redmond a middle reliever. I remember Dusty's comment last year that Simon earned a "promotion" in the pen, but shortly thereafter we traded for Broxton.

Or maybe it's not that complicated. Maybe they just signed him for depth, hoping to upgrade during the offseason and figure it's worth spending 490k to have depth now, even if they cut him.. Maybe it's not even a guaranteed contract, since he's not arb eligible.. I recall some rule that you can cut a player early in the season and only pay about 20% under some circumstances (contracts that are not guaranteed)

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Originally Posted by REDREAD

Yea, my mistake, he is out of options. I remember that now.
The Reds might be able to sneak him down to AAA at the end of spring training though. Not sure if that is the plan, but it's possible.

Maybe this move gives them some flexiblity to trade someone like LeCure/Logan/Arrendondo? Maybe the plan is to make Redmond a middle reliever. I remember Dusty's comment last year that Simon earned a "promotion" in the pen, but shortly thereafter we traded for Broxton.

Or maybe it's not that complicated. Maybe they just signed him for depth, hoping to upgrade during the offseason and figure it's worth spending 490k to have depth now, even if they cut him.. Maybe it's not even a guaranteed contract, since he's not arb eligible.. I recall some rule that you can cut a player early in the season and only pay about 20% under some circumstances (contracts that are not guaranteed)

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Good points. Here's my guess - Bryan Price sees something with Redmond.

Last year the Reds picked Simon out of thin air and correctly determined he had major league ability. I'm guessing Redmond is the same, they think he has something, and he will be with the Reds.

Another guess - Lecure gets a promotion to set up. He was dynamite down the stretch last year.

This pick up may indicate pessimism as to Mr. Masset's recovery. It may mean the end for Ondrusek as a Red (does HE have options?).

And a trade of Arredondo would not be shocking at all, but his second half would have diminished his trade value.

All interesting possibilities if you spend time, like some of us, wondering about the Cincinnati Reds' middle relievers. Only on RedsZone.

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Originally Posted by PuffyPig

Redmond is an excellent AAA pitcher.

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I guess I look at a good AAA team as one that has some good short term options to fill short term needs due to injury. Last year's team was completely void of that type of talent and had a horrible record. I get excited over almost there, upwardly mobile types to care one lick about what's at AAA. Todd Redmond doesn't fit that bill, so his skill of "good AAA pitcher" is worth the same as a baseball card in the bike spokes to me.

Even though they re-signed him, he is out of options and I would think he would be one of the first to be outrighted if a roster spot is needed.

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Originally Posted by traderumor

Redmond's one start left a bad impression on me as a return to the Van Poppel, Haynes, Claussen, et al era. Leaves me in a cold sweat that he would ever start another major league game for the Reds.

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Yeah, he looked very average and very hittable in that start.

This is pretty much a non-story. Redmond was already on the 40-man roster. And yes, Redmond is out of options. If he doesn't make the team next year, he will be DFAed i.e. put on waivers. Because Redmond has been outrighted before, if no one claims him on waivers, Redmond has the option of becoming a free agent or being assigned to the minors.

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Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

This is pretty much a non-story. Redmond was already on the 40-man roster. And yes, Redmond is out of options. If he doesn't make the team next year, he will be DFAed i.e. put on waivers. Because Redmond has been outrighted before, if no one claims him on waivers, Redmond has the option of becoming a free agent or being assigned to the minors.

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He'd likely choose going to the minors and collecting his major league contract.

This is about the Reds assuring themselves they have depth at AAA if needed in the starting pitching ranks. Cheap insurance.

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Originally Posted by PuffyPig

He'd likely choose going to the minors and collecting his major league contract.

This is about the Reds assuring themselves they have depth at AAA if needed in the starting pitching ranks. Cheap insurance.

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Does that mean his mom is going to be on hold waiting to talk to someone when the insurance is needed?(cheesy car insurance commercial reference) :p

If it's a major league contract, that means he has to be on the 40 man roster, and since he's out of options, it means he has to be on the 25 man roster. As what? The new long man? I certainly can't see him in the rotation. And I think both LeCure and Simon are better options as "long men". This one's puzzling to me. As AAA depth, it's great. But I don't think it can even BE that option.

And I was under the assumption that ALL major league contracts are guaranteed. It's the minor league contracts that have that option. Or have I been wrong in that assumption. It certainly wouldn't be the first time. :O)

It's basically a minor league contract that pays him a lot more than a minor league contract would.

I think there's not much really to be read into this move. I'd guess they think there's a good enough chance that Redmond is a usable major league arm that they don't want to lose him. A good spring training performance ought to get him the 7th spot in the bullpen, assuming no injury to a starter. If you wanted to make more of this, it'd probably be that Leake is either going to be moved or starting opening day in L'ville.

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Originally Posted by camisadelgolf

It's basically a minor league contract that pays him a lot more than a minor league contract would.

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This.

I do think this move makes Tony Cingrani much more likely to be a reliever with the Reds. Add the Broxton free agent dance (with Chapman being moved to the rotation should that happen), and you can begin to see that Jocketty is setting up an opportunity to deal a starter. Or two.

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Originally Posted by mdccclxix

I don't know what his offerings are like, but he could be in line for a Sam Lecure type of role.

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My exact thoughts.

I'm going to assume that Lecure has been promoted to...setup or the like. You then have Broxton (assuming the rumors of them being close to working out a 3yr deal), Hoover, Marshall, Lecure as the main guys in the pen. :thumbup:

As bad as he looked in his one start, I'll still take him over Soft J.

That trade was a win. We had/have zero use for Janish. Redmond is not good, but at least he provides some pitching depth.