6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

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06-22-2013, 10:23 PM
reds700

Re: 6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

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Originally Posted by Brutus

And the other half are played against bad teams. If the Reds duplicate what they're doing so far in the second half of the season, they'll finish with 94 wins and a highly probable playoff berth.

So it goes to show that fretting over a subset of 40 games is really missing the big picture.

I agree to an extent. If your goal is to make the playoffs and hope you get hot, the Reds have a good chance to do it.
06-22-2013, 10:24 PM
Big Klu

Re: 6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

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Originally Posted by Ironman92

This sounds familiar!

I was inspired by this guy:

http://cdn.gunaxin.com/wp-content/up...us-wallace.jpg

Unfortunately, the Wolf was a no-show.
06-22-2013, 10:26 PM
Tony Cloninger

Re: 6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

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Originally Posted by Big Klu

I was inspired by this guy:

http://cdn.gunaxin.com/wp-content/up...us-wallace.jpg

Unfortunately, the Wolf was a no-show.

When are they going to get Medieval on the NL Central?
06-22-2013, 10:26 PM
Ironman92

Re: 6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

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Originally Posted by _Sir_Charles_

Disagree. You guys are just remembering the BAD plays. He's had some gems over there too. He's an above average defender there. Well above average. But he's not Phillips. He's not Pujols or Hernandez over there either.

This game was NOT on Votto. Blown save on Chapman. They happen. Tough break. But outside of 1 or 2 plays, the Reds played one helluva game tonight. Bruce & Leake were lights out. Just faced a tough pitcher and a good team...get 'em tomorrow.

He's misplaying a lot of plays. He seems to never know where BP is positioned and has went way too far to his right and 2 inn later in the same game didn't budge from his position when it only took a step or two....muffed balls in the air multiple times of late....didn't go get the ball the catcher had to get. Has thrown ball away.

He is excellent at scooping the ball but hasn't done much of that either.

I agree he's going to be fine....but he has been playing poorly at first the past few weeks.
06-22-2013, 10:26 PM
New York Red

Re: 6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

I know Steve Sax had the same issue previously, but wasn't it Chuck Knoblauch who took the 'suddenly crooked arm syndrome' to a whole different level?
06-22-2013, 10:27 PM
Big Klu

Re: 6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

Congratulations once again to Jay Bruce, who has tied BRM legends Joe Morgan and Pete Rose along with teammate Brandon Phillips for 13th place on the Reds' all-time home run list.

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
13. Brandon Phillips - 152
13. Jay Bruce - 152
17. Lee May - 147
18. Joey Votto - 146
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101
06-22-2013, 10:27 PM
dsmith421

Re: 6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

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Originally Posted by powersackers

Almost all NL teams have a sub 100 OPS+ because pitchers bat. I think 2 of 15 are above 100 and just barely.

Good point. I'll modify to say that the offense has too many holes in it.
06-22-2013, 10:29 PM
Kc61

Re: 6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

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Originally Posted by Brutus

And the other half are played against bad teams. If the Reds duplicate what they're doing so far in the second half of the season, they'll finish with 94 wins and a highly probable playoff berth.

So it goes to show that fretting over a subset of 40 games is really missing the big picture.

No. Ignoring an inability to win big games against good teams is missing the big picture.

I couldn't care less at this point if the Reds win 94 games and win a wild card.

The team blew their playoffs v the Giants last season. They beat up on the Astros and Cubs last year. They have a bad record against good teams this year.

They probably need a couple more battle tested players.

Right now they have the look of a good regular season team but nothing more.

This may be good enough for some fans. I had hoped for more.
06-22-2013, 10:29 PM
New York Red

Re: 6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

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Originally Posted by Big Klu

Congratulations once again to Jay Bruce, who has tied BRM legends Joe Morgan and Pete Rose along with teammate Brandon Phillips for 13th place on the Reds' all-time home run list.

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
13. Brandon Phillips - 152
13. Jay Bruce - 152
17. Lee May - 147
18. Joey Votto - 146
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101

Jay is flying up that list lately. :thumbup:
06-22-2013, 10:30 PM
Ironman92

Re: 6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

I think Votto would do well with an occasional day off. He is so intense that it may drain on him. I thought he needed a day off a while back when he had that one horrible defensive game (Cubs?)
06-22-2013, 10:31 PM
Ironman92

Re: 6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

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Originally Posted by New York Red

I know Steve Sax had the same issue previously, but wasn't it Chuck Knoblauch who took the 'suddenly crooked arm syndrome' to a whole different level?

They were incredibly similar. Knoblauch hit Keith Olberman's mom at a Yankee game about 11 rows deep.

Mackey Sasser!
06-22-2013, 10:33 PM
Tom Servo

Re: 6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

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Originally Posted by Kc61

The team blew their playoffs v the Giants last season. They beat up on the Astros and Cubs last year. They have a bad record against good teams this year.

What do the Astros and Cubs have to do with not closing out the series with the Giants? There's no bonus points for record against good teams, everything is reset in the playoffs. The Reds were better than the Giants in the first two games, the Giants were better in the last two, and the Reds inability in Game 3 to get another run of off Ryan Vogelsong or the Giants bullpen still haunts me. And the Astros and Cubs have nothing to do with that.
06-22-2013, 10:34 PM
Ironman92

Re: 6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

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Originally Posted by Kc61

No. Ignoring an inability to win big games against good teams is missing the big picture.

I couldn't care less at this point if the Reds win 94 games and win a wild card.

The team blew their playoffs v the Giants last season. They beat up on the Astros and Cubs last year. They have a bad record against good teams this year.

They probably need a couple more battle tested players.

Right now they have the look of a good regular season team but nothing more.

This may be good enough for some fans. I had hoped for more.

The same fans that are good with the Bengals making the playoffs....but laying the same postseason eggs.
06-22-2013, 10:54 PM
757690

Re: 6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

If the error to start the inning was the reason why Chapman lost it today, then he has no business being a closer. I'm not saying that was the reason, but if it was, he needs to be taken out of the closer role immediately.
06-23-2013, 12:03 AM
Kc61

Re: 6/22/2013 Reds at Dbacks....Game 2

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo

What do the Astros and Cubs have to do with not closing out the series with the Giants? There's no bonus points for record against good teams, everything is reset in the playoffs. The Reds were better than the Giants in the first two games, the Giants were better in the last two, and the Reds inability in Game 3 to get another run of off Ryan Vogelsong or the Giants bullpen still haunts me. And the Astros and Cubs have nothing to do with that.

I think it's pretty obvious. Ask yourself how meaningful it was for the Reds to have won 97 games in a division with the Astros/Cubs playing them 36 times or so.

Then ask yourself whether that regular season victory level was reflected in their playoff performance against a much better team.

Pretty obvious.

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