Figured with the mock draft coming up we could utilize this thread to talk about all things NFL draft.
P.S. Tavon Austin and Marquise Goodwin are really, really fast! 4.25 unofficial 40 times, several scouts had Goodwin at a 4.19 :shocked:
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Figured with the mock draft coming up we could utilize this thread to talk about all things NFL draft.
P.S. Tavon Austin and Marquise Goodwin are really, really fast! 4.25 unofficial 40 times, several scouts had Goodwin at a 4.19 :shocked:
Jarvis Jones moving down some boards due to the spinal stenosis that caused USC to let him go.
Knile Davis just ran a 4.30 unoffical at 6' 220. He added some money to his pocket.
Barner from Oregon, who the common fan would consider really fast, ran a 4.44 at 5'11" 195.
Monte Ball ran a 4.62 40 today. Pretty much where everyone expected him to run. He definitely will not go in the first round now and has to be looked at as a late 2nd to 3rd round guy.
DE Sam Montgomery from LSU just took himself out of the first round by admitting he took plays and games off. His agent must be thrilled.
DT and possible top 5 pick Star Lotulelei has a heart condition spotted by the medical tests done at the combine. According to medical folks his left ventricle is only pumping in the 40% range where a normal heart operates between 55-70%. This may drop the kid out of the first round. You can't give guaranteed money to a kid with a heart condition.
Monte Ball 4.62 40 time for the power back from Wisconsin. Pretty much where most expected him to be. He needed faster times to be considered a first round guy.
Te'o ran a 4.82 at the combine, he looked soooo slow too. I see him sliding out of the first round due to that performance.
Alex Ogletree ran a 4.70 which I thought was a bit slower for him, couple that with a DUI arrest and he is going to have some question marks on him. Still considered mid first round talent.
Dion Jordan ran a 4.60 and is a top 5 guy in this draft.
Maybe, but Andre Smith was still a top 10 pick after a horrible combine ( even leaving early IIRC) so if just 1 team likes Montgomery's films, he could be a guy they tke a chance on late in the round
What about Teo's 4.81 and 4.8 times? How far will he fall?
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Originally Posted by KoryMac5
The combine isn't the end of everything for Te'o as far as the first round goes. He still has a pro day at Notre Dame with lots of scouts watching to get his stock back on the rise. Even with the slow 40 time I would expect late first early second round for this guy. Remember Rey Maulaluga ran a 4.86 at his combine and fell to the second round. Both players seem pretty comparable.Quote:
Originally Posted by UKFlounder
Tyler Bray starting to rise a bit according to some at the combine. He definitely has an arm but mechanics and his head have always been issues. He showed up at the combine ready to work and has made some strides.
Impressed with the Oregon kid Dion Jordan, BYU's Ezekiel Ansah, and the Auburn running back.
Feel bad for Utah's Star Lotulelei and Teo. One Gm said that if Teo was playing for Washington he wouldn't have been a every down LB in the Pac 12. Thats pretty bad with how they play defense.
It sucks for Lotulelei but he may be fortunate to have found out now than let it go unknown for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by 19braves77
I am tired of hearing about Teo. This combine was a put up or shut up moment and he ran a slow 40 and didn't bench because of a 'stinger'. He has Bengal written all over him now.
Teo in the 1st, Honey Badger in the 2nd.
With Burfict playing the middle I don't see a spot opening up for Teo. Bengals draft really well as of late using the Baltimore method of always take BPA. I can see them going either with a safety or an offensive lineman.Quote:
Originally Posted by bucksfan2
I'd love to see them get the Texas safety Vaccarro or the Georgia LBs Jones or Ogletree. And I'm always down with drafting linemen, offense or defense, in the first round.Quote:
Originally Posted by KoryMac5
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by KoryMac5
I was watching ESPN and they had Tedy Bruschi talking about Teo and his draft stock. I love when these talking heads start to contradict themselves. He was saying that if you run a 4.8 that makes you a package LB. It drops you into the 2nd and 3rd and later rounds and you may be taken off the field for dime or nickle or penny package. But what Tedy didn't mention was that he was drafted in the 3rd round. I guess he came off the field in nickle and dime packages! It annoys me when these so called analysis's have gone through the ringer before yet still pigeon hole careers of guys because of their combine numbers. One would think Bruschi would be smarter than that.
To compound on that they were profiling LB's again and talking about what a slow 40 can do. They then profiled Burfict and his slow 40. Which brought me back to Mike Mayock who constantly said his draft review of Burfict was spot on. Well here is the thing guys, you were wrong. That is what happens when you misjudge the combine numbers. Admit that you are wrong instead of sounding like a bumbling idiot on a broadcast.
With the Chiefs dealing for Alex Smith they most likely will draft a tackle at that spot. The big question is which one do they choose Fisher or Joeckel.
I'd say Joeckel is a lock for number one.Quote:
Originally Posted by KoryMac5
It's interesting because a lot of the top picks a month ago (Teo, Loutelei, Jarvis Jones, Ogletree) have all fallen.
I think trading a 2nd (and a pick next year) for Alex Smith is more moronic than the Raiders trading 2 2nds for Carson Palmer. At least with Palmer you have at least some success to look at. Both deals are stupid but I feel Geno is going to be a very good pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by KoryMac5
It was actually a first and a second for Carson. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Slyder
Thats right, I thought the first went for that waste of space DT/DE Seymour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss-Hog
I get what you're saying but it's part of the job description. Of course a guy drafted in the 3rd or 4th or 7th round might turn out to be a starting LB. In fact more than one guy almost indisputably will. I don't think Bruschi's necessarily saying that he is predicting how Teo's career will go, rather how he believes teams are likely to interpret Teo's slow speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by bucksfan2
This gets to the question that has been nagging at me for a few years with regards to predicting things like this. It applies to the people predicting the bracket and elections as well.
When you put together a mock draft are you saying that this certain player is one who you believe a team SHOULD pick, or are you predicting who the team WILL pick.
Apologies to Raiders fans, but let's call this the Darius Heyward Bay test.
Given the Raiders draft history, and the late great Al Davis's penchant for drafting super fast receivers, perhaps we shouldn't have been surprised when the Raiders drafted him in the 1st round.
But would it make sense for a mock draft leading up to the draft to project the Raiders making this pick?
My guess is most mock drafts make projections on what they believe the team needs which while it might make sense on a surface level, ignores the fact that a lot of team(the Bengals included) don't really grade based on their own needs but instead draft who they believe is the best player available almost irregardless of position.
I saw both the Bruschi comments and Mayock on Burfict and I'd argue you misunderstood where both were coming from. In fact Bruschi actually downplayed the 40 even though he did admit that Te'o "could" slip into the 2nd if he didn't improve his 40 time. He wasn't downgrading Manti he was simply stating the obvious reaction from the league. He added that the film is the big determiner in where Te'o will go. Mayock also always seemed to intimate that his reasoning for downgrading Burfict had to do with his production dropping on tape but it seemed like he knew by the way he stated things that Burficts issues were attitude related and that unless that changed he was "undraftable" which was probably spot on. But Marvin gave the kid what he needed which was someone to believe in him which I think helped to change his attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by bucksfan2
Alex Smith was a good deal for the Chiefs especially with Andy Reid calling the pays however giving up a second for him and a conditional pick for a guy who almost got cut a few yrs ago could be considered overpaying. Would not have given more than a 4th for him. Kudos to the Niners for playing there cards right.
Rumors have it that the Raiders are sniffing around Geno Smith at 3. Hmmm only the Raiders, however I don't see Smith getting past Buffalo at 8 so it may not be far fetched. The wildcard to me is still Matt Barkley and how he throws on his pro day.
Lot of rumors on the boards I read is that they are trying to get Buffalo, Arizona, or someone to trade up for him. I would not complain at all with Geno in Oakland but I think the better move is to try and trade down for more. I believe a new day is coming for Oakland.Quote:
Originally Posted by KoryMac5
And frankly it's a kinda believable ploy (I think it's a ploy anyway) due to Palmer's cap number/ineffectiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slyder
Being a Chiefs fan, I'm not too keen on this deal. I think 2nd is way too high...much perfered a 4th....especially with the 'conditional' pick......maybe Andy is hoping Alex doesn't reach the expectations, and is void of that pick. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by KoryMac5
As for the tackle question...I hope neither.....I am hoping they re-sign their Top 5 LT, Branden Albert... trade back, and get extra picks...this would lessen the draw back of throwing away their 2nd.."anything else would be uncivilized"....but would be exactly what this franchise has done every year...why change what isn't working?:bang:
I have been predicting this will happen. Well half of it anyway, the thing you have to consider here is who will they trade with? Not sure there is anyone at the top someone has to have, Joeckel isn't so much better than his competition to be worth trading up for. Arizona for example could stay put at #7 and draft Lane Johnson and keep their other picks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuff Nut
What KC might wanna do is find the pass rusher everyone wants and can't do without and talk him up as the #1 pick. Dion Jordan I think is worthy of that pick with his current ability plus alot of upside. Maybe they can get Philly to jump up a couple picks. Then the Chiefs can take something like Dee Milliner at #4 and come back in the 2nd and take Margus Hunt to give them a really good 3-4 DE, which I think is one of their 2 biggest holes (along with their 2nd CB). But they might also consider Shariff Floyd for a 3-4 DE, of course they might be a bit gunshy since Dorsey and Jackson haven't really panned out as big DE/DT's moving to 3-4 DE's.
Tyson Jackson has been improving last couple years. He hasn't lived up to being picked 3rd overall,IIRC, but held his own this past season. He also just restructured his contract. Glenn may be hitting the open market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo
Seeing as they tagged Albert, I don't see them going LT, with #1. Dorsey, the GM, said they are gonna work on a long term deal......nice. KC gave up their 2nd rounder, possibly, for Alex Smith.(we'll find out in another week.....am hoping it was a fourth) As for 1st rounder (if can't move back)..still wouldn't count out a QB, weak draft and with no second round pick, only fodder will be left, when KC picks in the 3rd.....I wouldn't mind Bray, but only as a 5th. He's a nice project. Needs some seasoning, but has the tools.
Also, Star or Milliner, would be nice pick ups
A specialist says Jarvis Jones neck injury is a non issue. Expect him to stay somewhere in the top 10 picks. This according to the National Football Post.
Vikings acquire Seahawks 1st round pick and additional picks for Percy Harvin.
Seattle's offense could be really good.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...kings/1979021/
If he's healthy, they should be on of the SB favorites this year.....he's a game changer for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotCorner
Not really draft news but Wes Welker will be catching passes from Peyton Manning in 2012. I am not sure what the salary cap issues were but I think New England is going to regret letting him get away.
They will find someone cheaper and who will put up similiar numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by texasdave
They tried for a few weeks last yr to reduce Welkers role and it didn't work out very well. Bad move overall by the Pats to let Welker go over basically 2 million dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by redsfanmia
I was under the impression that Welker was seeking a 'long' term deal......2years = long? He basically signed on to play catch with Peyton, then look for another deal.
Amendola to the Pats, 5yrs 31 million. 4yrs younger and more explosive than Welker, however the kid can't stay healthy. But if I am the Pats I make that switch every day.
He's 32 years old, I doubt a longer deal was out there for him, at least not one where he wouldn't be very likely cut after the first 2 years anyway. Pats signed Amendola, riskier, but if it works, for them it's almost like a Welker of 5 years ago do-over.