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Bronson Arroyo - one win from 100
Bronson Arroyo just won his 99th game for the Reds. Yes, I know pitcher wins are a silly stat, but when you accumulate 100 of them for a single club it signals longevity, durability and quality.
We haven't seen a Reds pitcher cross this line since Tom Browning did it in 1991. Mario Soto did it in 1988. Gary Nolan and Don Gullett did it in 1976. Jim Maloney did it in 1967. Bob Purkey did it in 1964. Joe Nuxhall did it in 1963.
And that's it since World War II. It doesn't happen often for the Reds. If you're a younger fan, you haven't seen a Reds pitcher hit the century mark.
So make sure you catch Arroyo's next start.
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I didn't realize he had that many wins as a Red.
Bronson has been this team's Mr. Reliable.
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That's quite an accomplishment. Lets hope the next start is the 100th!
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I think the fans as a whole are now realizing what Bronson Arroyo has meant for this team.
He's dependable for the 12-15 wins per year (14, 9, 15, 15, 17, 9, 12, 8*) and the 200+ innings (every year but 1) but look at the ERA. Under 4 for 5 out of his 8 years here (including so far this season). Never been on the DL, and has never missed a start.
They traded Wily Mo Pena for him....
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Arroyo has quietly been one of the most durable, efficient pitchers for the Reds since we got him in 2005.
Hasn't ever missed a start, and 200+ IP every year with the exception of 2011. Very underrated starter. Someone is going to pay him 8 million next year, and he probably deserves it.
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I too didn't realize Bronson had won that many games as a Red. He has been such a dependable pitcher, getting the maximum out of his physical talents. He probably is in his last year in a Reds uniform and I will be sorry to see him leave. A future member of the Reds Hall of Fame.
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Great job, Bronson! Would be fascinated to know how he stacks up against those guys in other respects statistically. Seems like he has been fortunate to pitch for some far better teams than Soto, for example.
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Love this thread. I was just thinking yesterday how much more this team -- and its fans -- may miss Arroyo than they realize. For me, even though the Reds have a great stable of starters -- perhaps their best ever -- Arroyo is still the most interesting for me to watch. And to have seen his evolution over time (they were talking about it on the telecast last night) has been an education in the art of pitching. Make no mistake -- he's an artist. As the Giants announcers were saying about him, there is no pitcher in the major leagues like Bronson Arroyo.
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Where is Wily Mo these days?
Arroyo seems a free spirit, but he takes his pitching craft ver seriously.
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Roy Tucker
Arroyo seems a free spirit, but he takes his pitching craft ver seriously.
I had the same thought.
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RedEye
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Good point.;)
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mth123
Good point.;)
LOL. Just trying to figure out how to post those freaking tables!
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Trying to post stats... having problems. Sorry guys.
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Roy Tucker
Where is Wily Mo these days?
On November 29, 2011, Pena signed a 2-year contract with the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks in Japan.
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Roy Tucker
Where is Wily Mo these days?
Playing in Japan
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He's been a great guy to have and his games started, innings and wins are impressive. I'm glad we have him.
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jhiller21
Arroyo has quietly been one of the most durable, efficient pitchers for the Reds since we got him in 2005.
Hasn't ever missed a start, and 200+ IP every year with the exception of 2011. Very underrated starter. Someone is going to pay him 8 million next year, and he probably deserves it.
And the one year he fell short of 200 IP, he finished with 199.
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If you had told Reds fans Arroyo would win 100 games for the Reds when he first came to Cincinnati, few would have believed it. The consensus was that he never wanted to come to Cincinnati and would resign with the Red Sox at the first opportunity. He has since pitched more seasons for the Reds than the Red Sox and Pirates combined, become a model of consistency, and I'd say is now a fan favorite. Well done, Mr. Arroyo. When you are gone, you will be missed.
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I have a great appreciation for what Bronson has done as a Red over the last several seasons, including this year.
And while I still firmly believe the Reds can and will compete for a Pennant this year, IF (and only if) they were to fall out of contention over the next 3 weeks (more than 3 games back of the WC, which seems highly unlikely at this point), Arroyo would be the perfect trade candidate at the deadline.
There are only 2-3 decent pitchers available on the trade market between Garza, Gallardo, and Norris. Arguably one could include Hughes in this bunch, but Arroyo has clearly been significantly more reliable than the Yankees righthander. In fact, Arroyo has been more reliable than any of these arms, and while he doesn't have the youth or potential TOR stuff of these guys, he has phenomenal postseason experience and could re-sign for a 2 or 3 year deal. While there has been debate over whether the Reds should extend Arroyo (I believe they shouldn't) or even make a qualifying offer (I believe they should), it would be interesting to see what he could fetch on the trade market if it becomes clear the 2013 Reds don't have a clear shot at a title.
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it would be interesting to see what he could fetch on the trade market if it becomes clear the 2013 Reds don't have a clear shot at a title.
I believe all of his deferred salary becomes due if he is traded. In which case, he won't be going anywhere.
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lollipopcurve
I believe all of his deferred salary becomes due if he is traded. In which case, he won't be going anywhere.
Fair point (if true)
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Absolutely true.
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■3 years/$35M (2011-13)
■signed extension with Cincinnati 12/4/10, reworking option year in previous contract
■$15M deferred without interest, paid through 2021, reducing present-day AAV to $28.9M
■11:$6.5M, 12:$7M, 13:$6.5M
■if traded, deferrals are voided and paid up-front
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/co...ncinnati-reds/
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If the rotation stays the same, his next start should be July 21st (Sunday) after the AS break @ GABP.
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I also like his interviews. Smart guy, no BS.
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Remember talking to a Red Sox fan at the time of this trade he thought they had gotten the steal of the century.
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cinredsfan2000
Remember talking to a Red Sox fan at the time of this trade he thought they had gotten the steal of the century.
The Reds got the steal or the Sox?
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/braves-...6911--mlb.html
I guess he was traded in the middle of the game to the Braves, who managed to lose the game.
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RedEye
The Reds got the steal or the Sox?
Red sox fan thought that the sox had gotten the steal of the century. :D
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lollipopcurve
I believe all of his deferred salary becomes due if he is traded. In which case, he won't be going anywhere.
The one team that the deferred money penalty wouldn't be an issue for could be an interesting destination:
If (and only if) the Reds are 2-3 GB of the WC at the end of the month, (which again seems highly unlikely at this point), would you trade Arroyo to the Dodgers for Joc Pederson? I would.
In fact, if Leake continues to pitch well after the break and the Reds get visibility that Johnny Cueto can come back and pitch beginning in August, I might consider this trade even if the Reds are still firmly in Wild Card contention, given that Arroyo would likely not be a playoff starter.
From ESPN:
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Joc Pederson, OF | Los Angeles Dodgers
Stats: .299/.388/.522, 14 HRs, 25 SB (Double-A Chattanooga)
The Dodgers' outfield at the major league level is overcrowded with Carl Crawford, Matt Kemp, Yasiel Puig and Andre Ethier. Even if the Dodgers end up dealing one of the four, their outfield is still set for years to come.
Pederson is at Double-A Chattanooga of the Southern League, and scouts are drooling over his hit tool, power and the fact he can play all three outfield positions. With his path to the majors blocked in L.A., he’s the most likely top prospect it will move if it can acquire a difference-maker.
To deal Pederson, the Dodgers would have to get back a top-of-the-rotation starter, a back-end impact closer or a top pitching prospect. Teams that would match up in this type of deal include the Seattle Mariners, Chicago White Sox, Minnesota Twins and Milwaukee Brewers.
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Arroyo has 10 and 5 rights. Not only will you need to pay him per his contract, but you may need to give him some more to get him to agree to a deal.
He's not going anywhere unless the Reds are hopelessly buried and he'd get a chance at the post-season with another team. That's not going to happen by the deadline.
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KittyDuran
If the rotation stays the same, his next start should be July 21st (Sunday) after the AS break @ GABP.
The post AS rotation was announced last night and the possible chance for #100 will not be @GABP. :(
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Why are people talking about trading Arroyo? We're 5 games up on the Wild Card with a little over 2 weeks from the trading deadline.
I mean....yeah.
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And Arroyo gets #100 with a shutout of the defending champs. Sweet.
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After tonight's game Arroyo's whip for the season is 1.11. He's tougher on hitters now than when the Reds first got him. Two years ago I was ready to trade him. I thought he was too old to recover from his monosized off year. I was wrong.
'course the Reds always had the option of keeping Wily Mo and reworking his contract. (has it really been that long?)
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Leake and Arroyo carrying the staff. Who knew?
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M2
And Arroyo gets #100 with a shutout of the defending champs. Sweet.
He can celebrate in style in San Fran tonight. Maybe get on stage somewhere and play some music.
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Cincinnati is not prolonged to slumps. They have too many good Starters. Any given night, one of their Starters can look like an ACE.
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And saved the bullpen before tomorrow's doubleheader as well. Pure magic from Bronson tonight.
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Congrats to a master in the art of pitching.