Things Marty Loves to Complain about
Been hot here so I was outside listening to the radio more than watching the game this weekend, lost of Jeff and Marty and I think I caught a constant message from them:
What's important in baseball when you have a bat in your hands
- RBI's - The reason god makes money to give to baseball players is spelled R B I and anyone who disagrees is pretty much an idiot... did you know Joey Votto has BLANK RBIs?? Did you know Chris Davis and Cabrea have BLANK more RBIs? Those guys know how to get it done, unlike the sabermetric inclined Votto.
- Sacrifice Bunts - No one can do it, no one does it enough, no one doe sit like the old days, guys just don't appreciate it like they did in the past.
- Sacrifice flies - Good lord man, do your job... make an out to get in a run, don't you know that that is what expected of you?
Using that criteria I'm pretty sure that Marty's favorite ballplayer is in this group.
Code:
RBI YEAR RBI SAC SF
1 Roberto Alomar 1999 120 12 13
2 Wally Joyner 1986 100 10 12
3 Kevin Elster 1996 99 16 11
4 Larry Hisle 1976 96 11 9
5 Roy Smalley 1979 95 15 9
6 Dwayne Murphy 1982 94 12 8
7 Brooks Robinson 1960 88 13 8
8 Brooks Robinson 1962 86 10 10
9 Willie Davis 1962 85 10 8
10 Vic Power 1960 84 14 7
T11 Johnny Logan 1955 83 16 7
T11 Ken Landreaux 1979 83 10 8
13 Brady Anderson 1992 80 10 9
T14 Craig Biggio 1995 77 11 7
T14 Roy Smalley 1978 77 23 7
16 Marco Scutaro 2012 74 10 9
T17 Angel Berroa 2003 73 13 8
T17 Melky Cabrera 2007 73 10 9
19 Juan Uribe 2005 71 11 10
20 Joe Cunningham 1962 70 10 8
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Angel Berroa is among everybody's favorite ballplayers.
Thom is aboard the RBI train as well, I seriously thought we as a baseball society had advanced beyond using a clearly team dependent stat as a serious metric for an individual player.
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Don't for get PDoc...he can't get over Votto only having ## rbi's.
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westofyou
Been hot here so I was outside listening to the radio more than watching the game this weekend, lost of Jeff and Marty and I think I caught a constant message from them:
What's important in baseball when you have a bat in your hands
- RBI's - The reason god makes money to give to baseball players is spelled R B I and anyone who disagrees is pretty much an idiot... did you know Joey Votto has BLANK RBIs?? Did you know Chris Davis and Cabrea have BLANK more RBIs? Those guys know how to get it done, unlike the sabermetric inclined Votto.
- Sacrifice Bunts - No one can do it, no one does it enough, no one doe sit like the old days, guys just don't appreciate it like they did in the past.
- Sacrifice flies - Good lord man, do your job... make an out to get in a run, don't you know that that is what expected of you?
Using that criteria I'm pretty sure that Marty's favorite ballplayer is in this group.
I love the bunt as well and hate the fact that so many players cannot do it. I am especially lost when an NL pitcher looks completely incompetent.
Big fan of the sac fly here too. Isn't that what's expected? If not, what is?
RBI will take of themselves if everyone does their job.
Color me as foolish as Marty I guess.
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Big fan of the sac fly here too. Isn't that what's expected? If not, what is?
Not making an out in order to score even more runs.
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Long, late games with an early tee-time the next morning.
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CySeymour
Not making an out in order to score even more runs.
Reminds of what I have to tell my clients about being fit. "If were that easy, everybody would do it."
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Them stupid newfangled phones with pushbuttons that you can't really dial.
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TSJ55
Reminds of what I have to tell my clients about being fit. "If were that easy, everybody would do it."
But no one is trying to make an out to score that run, nobody at all, it's a fallacy.
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TSJ55
Reminds of what I have to tell my clients about being fit. "If were that easy, everybody would do it."
So hitting a fly ball about 275 feet is just an easy thing to do when the other guy is being paid millions to get you out?
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westofyou
But no one is trying to make an out to score that run, nobody at all, it's a fallacy.
I don't follow. Teach me something.
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westofyou
But no one is trying to make an out to score that run, nobody at all, it's a fallacy.
Exactly. In that scenario, a sac fly is probably no better then the 3rd best outcome. Certainly it beats a strikeout/popout/lineout and of course a double play, but not as good as a base hit or a walk.
Not saying hitting a sac fly is bad, just that it shouldn't be the hitter's goal.
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TSJ55
I don't follow. Teach me something.
I don't think that any batter comes to the plate with the thought of "OK, what I really want to do here is fly out to left field. I will do everything that I can to make sure that I hit the ball in the air in a place where the fielder can catch it."
Sure, the approach might be to hit the ball in the air, but I bet 101 out of 100 ballplayers would rather hit a home run than a sacrifice fly. The same goes for grounding out to the second baseman to advance a runner from second to third- what player wants to get out instead of getting a hit?
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TSJ55
I don't follow. Teach me something.
Batters don't try to lift fly balls into the OF. It's extremely hard to hit a moving ball at its size and velocity with a round bat intentionally into the air at least 300 feet. Some guys naturally have that swing. Others just try to use the middle of the field which is usually the best approach (IF'ers are back in the middle, pitcher is worst fielder, etc)
The other thing that is so silly about all of that is that Adam Dunn used to get beat up for this constantly. He had a long string of no sac flies, yet he was constantly hitting HR's, even with men on third. Should he have hit the ball 100 feet shorter? Also, many times players get base hits with a man on 3rd. That is much better than a Sac Fly, but no one sits there and counts how many hits he has with a man on 3rd, then puts that next to his sac fly stat.
The sac fly is mostly an accident. I'd say that is the biggest factor. Also, why is GO 6-3, RBI not a Sac Groundout? Use the middle of the field with IF back, and it's sort of the same thing, no?
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Plus Plus
I don't think that any batter comes to the plate with the thought of "OK, what I really want to do here is fly out to left field. I will do everything that I can to make sure that I hit the ball in the air in a place where the fielder can catch it."
Sure, the approach might be to hit the ball in the air, but I bet 101 out of 100 ballplayers would rather hit a home run than a sacrifice fly. The same goes for grounding out to the second baseman to advance a runner from second to third- what player wants to get out instead of getting a hit?
Ok, the logic of getting a base hit or hitting a home run trumping a sac fly is obvious. Of course that's assuming he sees a ball he can drive first.
But, if it's my teammate, he better expand his zone his zone a little bit and swing at something he can lift deep enough to score the run if given the chance.