Ugh. Hatteberg not a starter and Arroyo and our ever-favorite "cash".
The more things change.... :not happy at all:
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Ugh. Hatteberg not a starter and Arroyo and our ever-favorite "cash".
The more things change.... :not happy at all:
Ugh. I understand it, but I don't like it.
Starting rotation predictions?
1. Harang
2. Arroyo
3. Claussen
4. Milton
5. Wilson/Williams?
Interesting move. I'll hold judgement for awhile.
Man, I really wish we had Chris Antonetti.
This was a chance to bring in a Joe Nathan/Francisco Liriano type deal. Instead we get a pitcher with a career 4.59 ERA.
Narron's whining worked for him. If you can't bunt or play gold glove defense then he hates you.
I agree with redsfan...not real impressed with it but I also understand that you have to give up stuff to get starting pitching. No team is going to trade any type of decent prospects for wily mo. Thats just the way it is.
Krivsky specializes in contracts, and BA has a reasonable one.
it's not exactly building toward a BRM, but the move's coldly logical for a team that has bats and OFers but not even mediocre pitching
I give Krivsky an A for courage. Nobody else was brave enough to deal Pena, whose star could shine or nova.
I might go as high as D+ right now, but if Arroyo wins 15 games, then it's a C+/B-Quote:
Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine
What does that ERA convert to in the NL?
Offense will score 100-150 less runs this year. Pitching will not improve.
Hey jmmclain, fire up that Fire Krivsky website!
I don't mind them trading Pena for pitching but what I don't like about the deal is Arroyo. If we could have traded Pena for another pitcher no problem but I don't think Arroyo was a good trade for Pena.
How long is Arroyo under contract? For some reason I thought this was his last year as an arbitration player. If he isn't under a 3 year contract or so then I really don't like this deal. Krivsky did not do that well is his first trade, the offense is weaker, pitching is mildly better, but at least the defense improves.
second thatQuote:
Originally Posted by redsfan30
Does anyone have a breakdown of groundball vs. flyball outs? Just curious, because if he is a true groundball pitcher then this may work out. I remember watching Arroyo in the playoffs in '04 and thinking that he did pitch with alot of heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by beb30
I would rather have had Clement but maybe thats just because he is a "name" pitcher. He probably was too expensive even if Boston paid some of his salary when you consider that we got Arroyo AND cash. But if Castellini thinks that at any point in the future the Reds are going to be successful without spending money then he is looking at our minors through rose colored glasses.
Everyone says we have bats and outfielders to spare. I don't get it, who are our starting outfielders now???? Did Dunn spend all spring training learning first base for nothing???