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I'd go:
1. Edwin
2. Phillips
3. Griffey
4. Dunn
What would your list be?
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http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64873
I'd go:
1. Edwin
2. Phillips
3. Griffey
4. Dunn
What would your list be?
Oh crap here comes the clutch debate. AGAIN.
Not enough information to respond as "clutch" hasn't been defined for the poll. Without that, the study is a complete mess.
Clutch can be defined as a simple fact. Batter who we will call Bunk comes to the plate in his first 5 years in the majors in the 7th inning and on with 2 outs and runners in scoring positions that will lead to his team taking the lead and bats a combined 500 over a qualified amount of at bats of 650 at bats.
Ya ok I'M kidding lol.
George Grande defines clutch as "JIM EDMONDS."
Without getting too much into the "clutch" debate, I think Edwin's hitting style makes him "clutch", regardless of "state of mind" or "mental toughness" considerations (which the pundits like to refer to).
As a right-handed pull hitter, Edwin puts a LOT of balls into the hole on the left side. He can even pull pitches quite a bit outside into that hole, due to his bat speed.
Put runners on second and third or even better load the bases...and with the shortstop and third baseman playing near their bags...that hole is HUGE.
So, it shouldn't surprise us that Edwin is "clutch", in those situations...he just hits that way. (Well, at least that's what I think).
I am so glad there have been less than ten replies to this thread.
Total waste of time.
Performance based on the situation.
I think this new stat era has to come to grips that everything doesn't have to be measured by a stat. Everyone wants to come up with the equation that trumps the previous one. Everyone wants to come up with the number that defines production.
Maybe it doesn't exist in some instances, especially for something so subjective like "clutchness." If someone comes up with one out in the 9th, down one, men on first and third and one out and takes Mariano Rivera to 14 pitches and finally hits one in the hole where they can't turn two and the run scores, would you say that it clutch?
I think clutch is doing what you set out to do in that given situation when the pressure is on. Reliever comes in during the 8th inning, up one, one out and a man on third. He knows he needs a K, pop up, short fly ball or ground out. Succeeding there is pretty clutch. Getting a fly ball to the warning track isn't really what you set out to do in that situation, though you still got the batter out. Launching one over the catcher's head is also less than clutch.
Personally, I think clutchness is determined better by observing the games and situations that take place during the season. A single in the 5th inning of a blowout shouldn't count as much as a single with the bases loaded, down 2 in the 9th with 2 out. People tend to remember big situations and people coming through in those games. That's where clutchness should be measured, situations rather than a number.
bottom of 9, game tied, bases loaded: I want Dunn up to walk that runner home
Which explains why EE routinely has the highest batting average in the league, because he gets so many hits into that hole.......
I have no idea what the placement of EE`s hits has to his clutchness.
Question: What bag is the SS playing close to, as the secondbaseman would be covering 2nd if there was a runner on first.
Clutch (as defined by James) is an attempt to sell your upcoming book by publishing a seemingly controversial finding based upon just a handful of players using extremely small samples and not actually sharing the data but rather simply waxing on about your conclusions...