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UK Basketball 8th Edition
Getting close to the 1000 post mark, so thought it was time to go with a new thread.
Just saw where Sean Woods was just named coach at Morehead State. Hopefully he has better success than Kyle Macy did and can continue what Donnie Tyndall brought to the program.
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Bennett picks UNLV and Jefferson to announce on tuesday. While AJ is a top notch type player, I was hoping for a big body type banger on the inside to compliment our other recruits. Hopefully Cal will come up with something.
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Julius Mayes commits. 6'2 combo guard from Wright State who will be eligible to play immediately as a senior. Adds three point shooting and veteran leadership.
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jmac
Bennett picks UNLV and Jefferson to announce on tuesday. While AJ is a top notch type player, I was hoping for a big body type banger on the inside to compliment our other recruits. Hopefully Cal will come up with something.
I agree with the need of getting a bigger body type guy for the post for next year. I wonder how Cal goes about filling that role though. Seems to be no "One and done" type guys left and with a loaded 2013 and 2014 class I wonder if there is a hesitancy to offer a guy who might fill a scholarship spot for people in that class.
The way things are shaping up the 2013 UK class could just be the most ridiculous class ever. Also Wiggins in 2014 might be the best prospect since LeBron. Not as good as LeBron, but the best prospect we have seen in High School since him.
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Calipari seems to enjoy short benches-- he's used a seven-, six-, and seven-man rotation the past three years at Kentucky.
That would mean the rotation of:
Harrow PG
Goodwin SG
Mays G
Pothress SF/PF
Wiltjer PF
Noel C
Cauley-Stein C
Hood F
It's not as talented a roster as last season or the Wall/ Bledsoe/ Patterson/ Cousins monster, but it's good enough to win the SEC if all things shake out properly.
What's interesting about his squad, IMO, is that it might be best as a frenetic, full-court press style team. Harrow, Goodwin, Poythress, and Wiltjer all run fantastically well. The press would help the team shooting percentage, as only Harrow, Wiltjer, and Mays shoot well at all from long distance.
This team could go Final Four again, but, more likely, is Calipari's first "rough" season at UK.
They might lose 8-10 games.
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College basketball is going to be WAY down next year. The "best" teams heading into next season are UL and IU? I'll take my chances.
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WMR
College basketball is going to be WAY down next year. The "best" teams heading into next season are UL and IU? I'll take my chances.
Next year is the year a "mid major" wins it all.
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WMR
College basketball is going to be WAY down next year. The "best" teams heading into next season are UL and IU? I'll take my chances.
LOL......Way down next year? I dont see it that way. There are several teams out there that didnt lose much if anything.
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dabvu2498
Next year is the year a "mid major" wins it all.
Really? What are the odds in Vegas?
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Assembly Hall
LOL......Way down next year? I dont see it that way. There are several teams out there that didnt lose much if anything.
All of the experts disagree with you but your opinion is pretty typical for an Indiana fan I would guess.
Let's look at UL: Lost to South Florida on Senior night... Several head scratching results throughout the season... Fans wanted to run Pitino off before the run in BE Tournament and NCAAs.
IU: Lost some absolutely horrible games away from Assembly Hall. Nebraska? Really? Hoosiers need to show they can win without home cooking.
If these are your "best" teams, it is a down year for hoops.
This is why they play the games...
Could easily see a mid major winning it next year like Dab said; a senior-laden mid major especially.
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Getting Julius Mays was absolutely huge at this point. A senior who will provide leadership and can absolutely stroke it from 3. Desperately needed another sure-fire 3 pt shooter to go along with Kwilt.
Also, there's an excellent chance that Andrew Wiggins reclassifies to 2013. He loves UK. It is a two team race for Wiggins between UK and Florida State. Both of his parents were athletes at FSU.
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Assembly Hall
LOL......Way down next year? I dont see it that way. There are several teams out there that didnt lose much if anything.
If you don't have much to begin with, is it all that impressive to keep it?
IU's team is good, no doubt. In a normal year, it'd be top ten, IMO, not vying for the top pre-season spot in the land. Same for Louisville (who overachieved and benefitted from a weak bracket in getting to the Final Four last season).
Who's behind those two, though? Nobody in the SEC. Kentucky is a shell of last season's national champion. Missouri lost three top scorers. Florida lost Beal. Maybe Tennessee comes on. Maybe not.
The Big 10 lost a ton of good players. Perhaps only Michigan looks to have restocked rather than rebuilt. I'd count OSU here, but the losses of Buford and Sullinger with no replacements will hurt more than many Buckeye fans think, IMO.
In the Big 12, Kansas lost their two top players. Maybe Texas finds a way to win something, but do you really trust Rick Barnes to deliver anything beyond recruits?
Syracuse lost three starters in the Big East. Maybe Notre Dame has something cooking in South Bend, but whatever it is will be a step slow come tournament time. Only Louisville looks halfway decent at this point.
In the west, UCLA is young and talented. That hasn't worked for Ben Howland for a decade now. Arizona's inmates are running the asylum, and Gonzaga lost Sacre (who I really like as an NBA sleeper big).
In the ACC, UNC re-tooled three-quarters of its roster, and Duke's struggles recruiting are beginning to show on its roster. NC State might make some noise, but that's a Mark Gotfried-coached team-- he's done less with more his entire coaching career.
Expect to see a lot of "You can't count out a team coached by..." articles between now and December of next season. When sportswriters have absolutely no clue what can happen, that's the cliche that gets hammered.
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Expect to see a lot of "You can't count out a team coached by..." articles between now and December of next season. When sportswriters have absolutely no clue what can happen, that's the cliche that gets hammered.
:lol: That's classic, Scrap.
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Assembly Hall
LOL......Way down next year? I dont see it that way. There are several teams out there that didnt lose much if anything.
And how good were those teams this year?
VCU is one of those teams that doesn't lose much. I'd expect to see them high in the rankings early and often. Creighton, Butler (adding Rotnei Clark), San Diego State all look to be ready (and more experienced) for a run.
Look at those early top 25 projections for next year and see if any of those teams stop you and make you think about how good they should be based on what they have coming back.
Yes, even Louisville and IU are reaches, if you will. As Wily points out, they were inconsistent last year.
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WMR
:lol: That's classic, Scrap.
And true!
The one guy that I'd say the cliche is true about is Izzo. If you gave Izzo a blind draw 5th grade rec league team, I bet he'd have em holding trophies at the end of the year.
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Also, and I hate to be the one who says this, but if Julius Mays has to play 10+ mpg at Kentucky, they're not going to be very good. He was at the correct level for his skill set.
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Gotta disagree with you on this one, dab. Cal would not have brought him in if he didn't believe he could play and help the team.
He shot 42% from 3 pt range last season...
Keep in mind he is joining a team with a much, much higher talent level than the teams he played on at Wright State. Defenses will not focus on him like they did at Wright State and I expect him to get a ton of open looks. At the very least, he will force defenses to stretch the floor which will make it much easier for our other elite athletes to operate and attack the rim.
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dabvu2498
Also, and I hate to be the one who says this, but if Julius Mays has to play 10+ mpg at Kentucky, they're not going to be very good. He was at the correct level for his skill set.
I agree, dab, assuming Mays doesn't have some hidden skill not yet seen. He has to be better, though, than Polson and the other flotsam behind Goodwin and Harrow.
This would be a good year for Jon Hood to discover his shooting touch. When he came out of high school, his reputation was as a dead-eye shooter with a quick release. So far his career has seen more injuries (one) than impact moments.
Mays is at least a body to practice against.
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WMR
Cal would not have brought him in if he didn't believe he could play and help the team.
Stacey Poole agrees with you. ;)
This is one thing that gets old. Not every guy that UK brings in has to be a big time player. Some of their guys might not even be all that good on occasion. And that's OK. Guys filling a roster spot is OK. Guys being good team guys and good practice players is OK. The donors that give all that money to endow scholarships like to see kids get that money instead of empty seats on the bench. :)
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He shot 42% from 3 pt range last season...
And 34% the two years he played in a real conference. And this goes to another point... This will be his 3rd college team in 5 years. Pretty impressive!!!
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Keep in mind he is joining a team with a much, much higher talent level than the teams he played on at Wright State. Defenses will not focus on him like they did at Wright State and I expect him to get a ton of open looks. At the very least, he will force defenses to stretch the floor which will make it much easier for our other elite athletes to operate and attack the rim.
He'll also be guarded by guys 2+" bigger and a bunch more athletic than dudes that were guarding him in the Horizon League. The couple times I saw Wright State this year, he didn't seem to be able to get around anyone.
Just my opinion.
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WMR
All of the experts disagree with you but your opinion is pretty typical for an Indiana fan I would guess.
Let's look at UL: Lost to South Florida on Senior night... Several head scratching results throughout the season... Fans wanted to run Pitino off before the run in BE Tournament and NCAAs.
IU: Lost some absolutely horrible games away from Assembly Hall. Nebraska? Really? Hoosiers need to show they can win without home cooking.
If these are your "best" teams, it is a down year for hoops.
This is why they play the games...
Could easily see a mid major winning it next year like Dab said; a senior-laden mid major especially.
It has nothing to do with me being an IU fan. If you want to see the definition of "blind bias" just take a look in the mirror.
I personally feel that the college game has been down for quite a while now. Last year was not a spectacular year period. I expect to see the same next season.
IU and Louisville are legit teams aside from any of their "struggles" last season. Notre Dame returns every starter, NC State could be next year's Mizzou. Michigan, Michigan St, and Ohio State lost some key guys but have solid foundations.
I do think there are a couple of Mid-Majors that will play into the mix. Creighton will be tough with their stud. Butler was pretty dang good last year, let's see how they do playing in the A-10.
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Looks like it's going to be Kentucky @ Georgetown in the SEC/Big East Challenge. The schedule isn't complete yet, but as of now our OOC slate will include:
vs Duke (neutral site)
@ Louisville
@ Georgetown
We'll also play Maryland in the first ever game at the Nets new arena in Brooklyn.
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New York Red
Looks like it's going to be Kentucky @ Georgetown in the SEC/Big East Challenge. The schedule isn't complete yet, but as of now our OOC slate will include:
vs Duke (neutral site)
@ Louisville
@ Georgetown
We'll also play Maryland in the first ever game at the Nets new arena in Brooklyn.
A couple of mid-majors that will be on the schedule will be Portland and Samford. They have three year deals with those two schools.
It would be great if the GTown game works out. I might have to try to get tickets to that one since they will be in my neck of the woods.
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Assembly Hall
I personally feel that the college game has been down for quite a while now. Last year was not a spectacular year period. I expect to see the same next season.
Nonsense. You judge teams on their historical impact, how they'd match up with previous champs, and the talent they send to the NBA.
Historically, Kentucky is among the most talented teams that has ever been assembled. Same with North Carolina. Syracuse lost only three games all year-- none of them at full strength.
Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina, Ohio State, Syracuse, Missouri-- all had exceptionally good teams with few holes. Even your own IU squad improved enough by the end of the season to be intriguing.
The talent going to the NBA is staggering, too. And it's not just Anthony Davis at the top. Impact draftees dot the NBA landscape. When John Henson, a defensive impact player with an impossible to guard jump hook with either hand is projected to go 20th overall, you know it's a deep draft. Harrison Barnes was a top two or three pick two years ago, if not number one; this year, he might break the top five. Maybe. Tyler Zeller would be a top ten pick any other year-- this season, he's an also-ran at number 14 or 15, barely in the lottery.
Add in guys like Vandy's Jenkins, Ezeli, and Taylor at the end of the first round, and you've got legitimate NBA starters pretty much 1-25 in the draft.
If you don't like the talent, let's just look at past NCAA champs and compare them to teams from 2012.
Eight to ten 2012 teams beat the 2011 UConn champ in a seven-game series, despite the hot-shooting Kemba Walker. Same with Duke the year before.
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A lot of sophmores that stayed around for an extra year because of the projected strike/lockout are leaving for the pros. Add to that the usual amount of freshman and that will lead to a big down year next season for college basketball. It won't mean that it will not be exciting. There's a very good chance that a true cinderalla could win the NCAA's next season. Next year could be the year for a George Mason,VCU or Butler to win it.
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Scrap Irony
Eight to ten 2012 teams beat the 2011 UConn champ in a seven-game series, despite the hot-shooting Kemba Walker. Same with Duke the year before.
Maybe '11 UConn, but not '10 Duke. '12 UK beats '10 Duke, but '12 UNC without Marshall does not, '12 Syracuse without Melo does not, '12 OSU would struggle against '10 Duke's size up front and loses, and '12 Kansas has been called by its own fanbase the second-least talented team in the Bill Self era.
'12 looked like it would be a fantastic season for college basketball, but once the UNC injuries piled up and Melo's grades factored into the discussion it became a pretty disappointing season overall IMO (outside of a really, really good UK title team). OSU was noticeably worse in '12 than '11 and yet made the Final Four. The same can be said for Kansas. '12 UConn fell apart. The '12 CBB season just didn't live up to my expectations at all.
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dabvu2498
Stacey Poole agrees with you. ;)
This is one thing that gets old. Not every guy that UK brings in has to be a big time player. Some of their guys might not even be all that good on occasion. And that's OK. Guys filling a roster spot is OK. Guys being good team guys and good practice players is OK. The donors that give all that money to endow scholarships like to see kids get that money instead of empty seats on the bench. :)
And 34% the two years he played in a real conference. And this goes to another point... This will be his 3rd college team in 5 years. Pretty impressive!!!
He'll also be guarded by guys 2+" bigger and a bunch more athletic than dudes that were guarding him in the Horizon League. The couple times I saw Wright State this year, he didn't seem to be able to get around anyone.
Just my opinion.
I never said Mays is going to be a big time player.
I said UK desperately needed a shooter and they got a shooter. He hit 42% from 3 last season. Discredit that all you want, but it's a fact. As a basketball player, he should be at least hitting his absolute peak.
Purdue and Matt Painter wanted him badly (Painter did not recruit him out of H.S., btw). Matt Painter apparently thought he could play in the B1G.
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RiverRat13
Maybe '11 UConn, but not '10 Duke. '12 UK beats '10 Duke, but '12 UNC without Marshall does not, '12 Syracuse without Melo does not, '12 OSU would struggle against '10 Duke's size up front and loses, and '12 Kansas has been called by its own fanbase the second-least talented team in the Bill Self era.
'12 looked like it would be a fantastic season for college basketball, but once the UNC injuries piled up and Melo's grades factored into the discussion it became a pretty disappointing season overall IMO (outside of a really, really good UK title team). OSU was noticeably worse in '12 than '11 and yet made the Final Four. The same can be said for Kansas. '12 UConn fell apart. The '12 CBB season just didn't live up to my expectations at all.
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Scrap Irony
Nonsense. You judge teams on their historical impact, how they'd match up with previous champs, and the talent they send to the NBA.
Historically, Kentucky is among the most talented teams that has ever been assembled. Same with North Carolina. Syracuse lost only three games all year-- none of them at full strength.
Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina, Ohio State, Syracuse, Missouri-- all had exceptionally good teams with few holes. Even your own IU squad improved enough by the end of the season to be intriguing.
The talent going to the NBA is staggering, too. And it's not just Anthony Davis at the top. Impact draftees dot the NBA landscape. When John Henson, a defensive impact player with an impossible to guard jump hook with either hand is projected to go 20th overall, you know it's a deep draft. Harrison Barnes was a top two or three pick two years ago, if not number one; this year, he might break the top five. Maybe. Tyler Zeller would be a top ten pick any other year-- this season, he's an also-ran at number 14 or 15, barely in the lottery.
Add in guys like Vandy's Jenkins, Ezeli, and Taylor at the end of the first round, and you've got legitimate NBA starters pretty much 1-25 in the draft.
If you don't like the talent, let's just look at past NCAA champs and compare them to teams from 2012.
Eight to ten 2012 teams beat the 2011 UConn champ in a seven-game series, despite the hot-shooting Kemba Walker. Same with Duke the year before.
I am not comparing teams of today to teams of yesteryear. The fact of the matter is, guys leaving early has impacted the whole scope of the college game. I could care less about the NBA landscape.
I want to see all the guys return to UK and defend their title. I dont like it when the powerhouses have to rebuild because the whole starting 5 left early for the NBA.
I aint saying that I dont enjoy watching the sport. I am just saying that the game is down do to early entries. It just doesnt affect the big schools.....mid-majors are affected as well. Geez, last year Butler should have had Shelvin Mack and Gordon Heyward on the court.
To say the game isnt affected is nonsense. Hell, the NBA game isnt as good as it was 20 years ago. I wonder why?
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cumberlandreds
It would be great if the GTown game works out. I might have to try to get tickets to that one since they will be in my neck of the woods.
I should have worded that differently. The UK/Georgetown game is definitely on the schedule. The only thing left to work out is the date.
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The 2012 season gave us two of the most talented teams to ever step on a college basketball court, and if not for Marshall's injury we might have seen one of the great championship games ever. That won't be the case next year. If IU, Louisville and a totally rebuilt UK team are indeed the three best teams in the country, then it's going to be a very down year for college basketball, talent-wise. IU had zero quality wins away from home, Louisville had one quality win the entire season, and UK will definitely be a notch or two below the squad that won it all this year.
Look around the country -- just about every top program is going to be down compared to their usual strength. UNC, Duke, Kansas, UConn, etc. They will still be ranked, because someone has to fill those spots, but they will be down nonetheless.
Louisville is the perfect indicator of where college basketball will be in 2013. They were so bad for much of the regular season, there were serious rumblings about getting rid of Pitino. They fell completely out of the Top 25 after being ranked 4th at one time (though undeservedly). They lost two of their best scorers (from a team that struggled to score), and they have very little coming in next year. Yet they are preseason Top 3? That's crazy.
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New York Red
Louisville had one quality win the entire season
No way. I'll give you that they were inconsistent, but they beat some good teams, particularly in their BE and NCAA tourney runs.
Marquette, Notre Dame, Cincinnati, Davidson, New Mexico, Michigan State, and Florida is a pretty nice 7 game stretch.
I think that run at least showed what they were (are?) capable of.
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They lost two of their best scorers
Did Russ Smith leave??? As far as I know, Kuric and Swopshire is all they lost. Assuming that's right, they return roughly 77 percent of their scoring from last year.
No doubt, they're not great. But they are a "known." We do have some idea about what they can do. I also think Dieng and Behanan will both be interesting players to watch next year. And of course, maybe we finally learn who the real Peyton Siva is. That's the crucial aspect. If he plays like he did the last month of the season, they could be very tough to deal with.
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dabvu2498
No way. I'll give you that they were inconsistent, but they beat some good teams, particularly in their BE and NCAA tourney runs.
Marquette, Notre Dame, Cincinnati, Davidson, New Mexico, Michigan State, and Florida is a pretty nice 7 game stretch.
I think that run at least showed what they were (are?) capable of.
Did Russ Smith leave??? As far as I know, Kuric and Swopshire is all they lost. Assuming that's right, they return roughly 77 percent of their scoring from last year.
No doubt, they're not great. But they are a "known." We do have some idea about what they can do. I also think Dieng and Behanan will both be interesting players to watch next year. And of course, maybe we finally learn who the real Peyton Siva is. That's the crucial aspect. If he plays like he did the last month of the season, they could be very tough to deal with.
I forgot about the Florida game. They lost Chris Smith also.
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New York Red
I forgot about the Florida game. They lost Chris Smith also.
Smith and kuric will be replaced in the starting lineup by blackshear (injured), Hancock (transfer) or Russ Smith. The team will be better next year with those upgrades. IF, Siva plays to potential and Behanon and Dieng continue to develop they will be very good. One thing they showed in the tourney last year is that with their defense they can hang with anyone. Add a little offensive improvement and you can see where the ranking is justified.
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New York Red
The 2012 season gave us two of the most talented teams to ever step on a college basketball court, and if not for Marshall's injury we might have seen one of the great championship games ever. That won't be the case next year. If IU, Louisville and a totally rebuilt UK team are indeed the three best teams in the country, then it's going to be a very down year for college basketball, talent-wise. IU had zero quality wins away from home, Louisville had one quality win the entire season, and UK will definitely be a notch or two below the squad that won it all this year.
Look around the country -- just about every top program is going to be down compared to their usual strength. UNC, Duke, Kansas, UConn, etc. They will still be ranked, because someone has to fill those spots, but they will be down nonetheless.
Louisville is the perfect indicator of where college basketball will be in 2013. They were so bad for much of the regular season, there were serious rumblings about getting rid of Pitino. They fell completely out of the Top 25 after being ranked 4th at one time (though undeservedly). They lost two of their best scorers (from a team that struggled to score), and they have very little coming in next year. Yet they are preseason Top 3? That's crazy.
IU had no quality wins away from home? How about at NC State and at Purdue? Notre Dame on a neutral floor? Now how is that zero? :confused:
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joshnky
Smith and kuric will be replaced in the starting lineup by blackshear (injured), Hancock (transfer) or Russ Smith. The team will be better next year with those upgrades. IF, Siva plays to potential and Behanon and Dieng continue to develop they will be very good. One thing they showed in the tourney last year is that with their defense they can hang with anyone. Add a little offensive improvement and you can see where the ranking is justified.
The ranking is justified because it's going to be a very down year for college basketball. I don't see how anyone could look at that Louisville team and think for even a moment they are a preseason #1 caliber squad. They will basically be the same team that tumbled their way completely out of the Top 25 this year, before getting hot against an obviously down Big East in their post-season tournament.
Look at the preseason top two teams last year -- UNC and UK. Then look at what might be the preseason top two next year -- IU and Louisville. That's a huge drop-off talent-wise. You're talking about two teams with a combined 10 first round NBA picks last year, versus two teams with maybe a total of one first round draft pick next year. Talent-wise, there's no comparison.
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Assembly Hall
IU had no quality wins away from home? How about at NC State and at Purdue? Notre Dame on a neutral floor? Now how is that zero? :confused:
Sorry, man, I guess my anti-IU bias was showing there. :)
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New York Red
Sorry, man, I guess my anti-IU bias was showing there. :)
LOL.....at least your honest!!!!!!! :beerme: BTW.......UK only played one true road game last year outside of conference. Just sayin'.;)
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New York Red
I forgot about the Florida game. They lost Chris Smith also.
Forgot about him. But as josh mentioned, I don't think either of those two guys aren't replaceable.
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Assembly Hall
I dont like it when the powerhouses have to rebuild because the whole starting 5 left early for the NBA.
We don't have to rebuild, we just have to reload...:laugh:
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LexRedsFan
We don't have to rebuild, we just have to reload...:laugh:
LOL......I like the terminology!!!!!