Who is Redszone's #23 prospect?

Prospect #1 - Aroldis Chapman, LHP
Prospect #2 - Devin Mesoraco, C
Prospect #3 - Yorman Rodriguez, CF
Prospect #4 - Yonder Alonso, 1B
Prospect #5 - Billy Hamilton, SS
Prospect #6 - Yasmani Grandal, C
Prospect #7 - Todd Frazier, IF/OF
Prospect #8 - Juan Francisco, 3B
Prospect #9 - Zack Cozart, SS
Prospect #10 - David Sappelt, CF
Prospect #11 - Donnie Joseph, LHP
Prospect #12 - Ismael Guillon, LHP
Prospect #13 - Brad Boxberger, RHP
Prospect #14 - Chris Valaika, IF
Prospect #15 - Kyle Lotzkar, RHP
Prospect #16 - Ryan LaMarre, OF
Prospect #17 - Juan Duran, OF
Prospect #18 - Junior Arias, SS
Prospect #19 - Sam Lecure, RHP
Prospect #20 - Ronald Torreyes, IF
Prospect #21 - Neftali Soto, IF
Prospect #22 - Jonathan Correa, RHP

It's Daryl Thompson for me. Obviously, the biggest question for him is always health, but it's tough to find a person who doubts his ability.

I like Tuttle here he is only going to get better with experience

Among others, Thompson is the kind of guy who makes this exercise so interesting. Thompson vs. Tucker Barnhart? Daniel Dorn vs. Drew Cisco? Kris Negron vs. Daniel Corcino? It's so fundamentally apples and oranges that it's fruitless (sorry) on one hand but irresistible on the other.

In Thompson, you have a guy who, in his major-league debut two years ago, turned Yankee Stadium on its ear. In Dorn, a guy who OPSed 994 in the International League. And both are available at #23. Readily available. Meanwhile, the organization's Minor League Pitcher of the Year (Hotchkiss) still isn't getting a sniff. That's pretty strong. Weird, but strong.

That said, Barnhart.

Accidentely voted for Waldrop, not sure how. Meant to vote for H-Rod.

Somebody start making an argument for their guy or my vote goes to Barnhart. Only thing the kid lacks is power and he is so young he could certainly improve that enough to be respectable. Good defense on par with anyone in the system if not better sans maybe Mes, switch hitter who hits well from both sides, good plate discipline, excellent with pitchers. Whats not to love.

I went with Henry Rodriguez. 14 HR's, 33 SB's, and and 33 2B's in Dayton. He could stand to walk a little bit more, but the combination of speed, defense, and power is pretty strong in a player who was good in A-ball.

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Originally Posted by mace

Among others, Thompson is the kind of guy who makes this exercise so interesting. Thompson vs. Tucker Barnhart? Daniel Dorn vs. Drew Cisco? Kris Negron vs. Daniel Corcino? It's so fundamentally apples and oranges that it's fruitless (sorry) on one hand but irresistible on the other.

In Thompson, you have a guy who, in his major-league debut two years ago, turned Yankee Stadium on its ear. In Dorn, a guy who OPSed 994 in the International League. And both are available at #23. Readily available. Meanwhile, the organization's Minor League Pitcher of the Year (Hotchkiss) still isn't getting a sniff. That's pretty strong. Weird, but strong.

That said, Barnhart.

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I think I had cologne back in the '70's that was described that way.

I voted for HRod too. Very solid results last year for a 20-year-old. I think it's a very good thing that someone with his kind of numbers is this far down. Terrific system-wide depth.

Considering that it is not looking good that Horst or Dorn will make our list of the Reds top 25 prospects, I think we have an answer as to why no MLB team thought it might give them one of their 25 man roster spots via the Rule 5 draft.

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Somebody start making an argument for their guy or my vote goes to Barnhart. Only thing the kid lacks is power and he is so young he could certainly improve that enough to be respectable. Good defense on par with anyone in the system if not better sans maybe Mes, switch hitter who hits well from both sides, good plate discipline, excellent with pitchers. Whats not to love.

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Kris Negron

- Will be 25 in February
- Enough defensively to play regularly up the middle on either side of 2B
- Enough offense to get on base 36% of the time, steal 35 bases and hit double digit HR. Supplements his bat with a decent amount of walks and a knack for getting an HBP (double digits in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010)
- Impressed with a .296/.360/.595/.952 in about 90 PAs in the talent filled AFL
- Was protected from Rule 5 and added to the Reds 40 man roster.

Dorn here. Could be a platoon player in the majors right now. That has value.

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Somebody start making an argument for their guy or my vote goes to Barnhart. Only thing the kid lacks is power and he is so young he could certainly improve that enough to be respectable. Good defense on par with anyone in the system if not better sans maybe Mes, switch hitter who hits well from both sides, good plate discipline, excellent with pitchers. Whats not to love.

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The other aspect of Barnhart seems to be that he's a gym rat, or whatever the baseball equivalent is. Anyway, a good makeup guy. Plus, you know, he's a catcher. Lots of bonus points for that.

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Originally Posted by klw

Considering that it is not looking good that Horst or Dorn will make our list of the Reds top 25 prospects, I think we have an answer as to why no MLB team thought it might give them one of their 25 man roster spots via the Rule 5 draft.

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Golly molly, Horst! He surely belongs on the list. Forgot all about him.

Negron for me here. I'll vote for about 10 more guys before Henry Rodriguez. I saw him multiple times in Dayton last year, and he's a whole bunch of "meh" to me.

Puckett.

I went with Dorn on the outside shot that he'll stick out of spring training. Several others, such as Negron and Thompson, seem just as worthy, though.

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Considering that it is not looking good that Horst or Dorn will make our list of the Reds top 25 prospects, I think we have an answer as to why no MLB team thought it might give them one of their 25 man roster spots via the Rule 5 draft.

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Or people are taking that into account and not voting for them. Visa versa.

I voted Dorn again.

2010 - AAA age 24/25

.302/.398/.545

And he did that coming back from a fractured hand.

I love Dorn. He's my favorite Louisville Bat.

But, because of position and age, I'm voting Puckett.

He'd be a great #2 hitter for the current squad, assuming his offense translates.

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Or people are taking that into account and not voting for them. Visa versa.

I voted Dorn again.

2010 - AAA age 24/25

.302/.398/.545

And he did that coming back from a fractured hand.

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I am taking it into account. If no team for two consecutive years is not willing to give him a shot there must be some issue the numbers are not telling

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I am taking it into account. If no team for two consecutive years is not willing to give him a shot there must be some issue the numbers are not telling

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Well, I've seen him for two years now and I'll be damned if I can see what it is. His lack of speed is certain but he is a solid ballplayer. He made only 2 errors all of last season.

I think it likely that several players already picked are never going to reach Dorn's current level.

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I am taking it into account. If no team for two consecutive years is not willing to give him a shot there must be some issue the numbers are not telling

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Because teams try to be smarter than everyone else rather than just being smart and taking a guy who can be an average major leaguer. Go ahead and look at a lot of the guys taken this year. Multiple pitchers who have not pitched in High A were taken in the first few picks. Those guys have next to no shot at being in the majors in April. But they were taken. Dorn's problem is that he has split issues (though the good kind since he is a lefty) and he is limited to first base. He isn't a sexy type of pick for the Rule V because of that.

I think Daryl Thompson's success in the minor leagues, his reasonably good showing in the major leagues, his apparent comeback last year, and some hopeful thinking about his injury situation, are good reasons for him to make the Reds' top 25. I voted for him at 23.

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I think Daryl Thompson's success in the minor leagues, his reasonably good showing in the major leagues, his apparent comeback last year, and some hopeful thinking about his injury situation, are good reasons for him to make the Reds' top 25. I voted for him at 23.

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This was the easiest vote I had in quite a while, and I voted for DT, too. You really have to love what he has done when healthy.

Two tied at 10 votes each and two others have 8 and 9 votes...what should we do? A run-off with all four on the poll?

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Two tied at 10 votes each and two others have 8 and 9 votes...what should we do? A run-off with all four on the poll?

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I don't think you go anymore than 3 for a run off. Cut off hrod at 8 votes

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Two tied at 10 votes each and two others have 8 and 9 votes...what should we do? A run-off with all four on the poll?

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That's not a run-off. That's more like a stampede. I like it. :)

If we include Henry R in the runoff, there are only 23 loose votes available to break the logjam. The players may not separate much. Although he's only two votes behind, he is in fourth place. So I'd say leave him behind and do the runoff with three.

That said, I don't feel strongly about it. No complaints if we go with all four.

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If we include Henry R in the runoff, there are only 23 loose votes available to break the logjam. The players may not separate much. Although he's only two votes behind, he is in fourth place. So I'd say leave him behind and do the runoff with three.

That said, I don't feel strongly about it. No complaints if we go with all four.

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Sounds good to me.