Re: Reds have 6 Gold Glove finalists, most of any team
Darwin Barney was the right pick at 2nd he had 28 defensive run saved at the postion, Robinson Cano was 2nd at +15 tied with Alexi Casilla. BP was tied for 4th with Pedroia and Ackley at +11. So If you just take what Barney lead the majors by he would have still had the NL best in DRS and that's why he also won the 2012 Fielding Bible Award which is the most legit defensive award out there.
Re: Reds have 6 Gold Glove finalists, most of any team
I don't buy any such thing as a defensive run saved at the position. That's some phony-baloney number made up by stat-a-holics AND is dependent on situational variables that are impossible to accurately measure.
Trust your eyes. There's nobody in this league on Phillips' level.
Re: Reds have 6 Gold Glove finalists, most of any team
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BluegrassRedleg
I don't buy any such thing as a defensive run saved at the position. That's some phony-baloney number made up by stat-a-holics AND is dependent on situational variables that are impossible to accurately measure.
Trust your eyes. There's nobody in this league on Phillips' level.
Every single play is video reviewed to come up with DRS, its the best tool to use when judging defense.
Re: Reds have 6 Gold Glove finalists, most of any team
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HometownHero
Every single play is video reviewed to come up with DRS, its the best tool to use when judging defense.
Doesn't take into account the opposing batter, pitcher, fielding alignment, conditions, etc., etc., etc. If your pitching staff is one of the best in baseball, there's going to be a helluva lot less opportunities to save runs. Like I said, I just don't buy that concept at all. Impossible to gauge.
I used to have an Elias book that talked about debunking the myth of how many runs Ozzie Smith saved per year. People used to throw out outrageous numbers for him, and the best evidence they could ever find was about 15 runs a season. Even they stressed there was no way to validate that.
Re: Reds have 6 Gold Glove finalists, most of any team
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BluegrassRedleg
Doesn't take into account the opposing batter, pitcher, fielding alignment, conditions, etc., etc., etc. If your pitching staff is one of the best in baseball, there's going to be a helluva lot less opportunities to save runs. Like I said, I just don't buy that concept at all. Impossible to gauge.
I used to have an Elias book that talked about debunking the myth of how many runs Ozzie Smith saved per year. People used to throw out outrageous numbers for him, and the best evidence they could ever find was about 15 runs a season. Even they stressed there was no way to validate that.
They look at tons and tons of things....
http://fieldingbible.com/Fielding-Bible-FAQ.asp
Re: Reds have 6 Gold Glove finalists, most of any team
I thought Michael Bourne was the best CF I saw this season. McCutchen winning it seems a little odd.
Re: Reds have 6 Gold Glove finalists, most of any team
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BluegrassRedleg
I don't buy any such thing as a defensive run saved at the position. That's some phony-baloney number made up by stat-a-holics AND is dependent on situational variables that are impossible to accurately measure.
Trust your eyes...
Thank you BGRL. All the numbers currently in baseball can serve a purpose (other than stealing from the beauty of the game), but they are not the end all be all of player measurement.
BP drives me nuts with his showboating and wreckless disregard for fundamentals but he makes every play he supposed to make along with many, many plays that no other 2B in the NL (probably MLB) is able to make at all.
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TSJ55
Thank you BGRL. All the numbers currently in baseball can serve a purpose (other than stealing from the beauty of the game), but they are not the end all be all of player measurement.
BP drives me nuts with his showboating and wreckless disregard for fundamentals but he makes every play he supposed to make along with many, many plays that no other 2B in the NL (probably MLB) is able to make at all.
This. I believe 75% of those "bare-handed" plays he made were probably unnecessary. I kept waiting for him to screw one up and listen to all the uproar, but, to his credit, it never happened (that I remember). I wonder how much all this cost him with the voters?
With that said, most of us Reds fans see "his game" more often than most and appreciate his amazing ability. To me , there's none better.
Re: Reds have 6 Gold Glove finalists, most of any team
There is simply NO WAY Darwin Barney is as good a second baseman as BP.
In this case the advanced stats are simply wrong.
PS I see they use computer analysis of camera footage to calculate the runs saved stat. There must be a difference in camera angles between the footage of DB and the footage of BP that is fooling the computer.
Re: Reds have 6 Gold Glove finalists, most of any team
If Darwin Barney played for us and BP was a Cubs player and he won the GG over the 2012 season of Barney this place would have exploded with anger.
Re: Reds have 6 Gold Glove finalists, most of any team
Re: Reds have 6 Gold Glove finalists, most of any team
We have the best defensive team. I will take that.
Re: Reds have 6 Gold Glove finalists, most of any team
Phillips is starting to decline, he's still one of the best defenders at 2nd, but it can't last forever.