Re: Reds catching 2013 and after
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Originally Posted by
Scrap Irony
How about those pitchers that prefer the comfort of pitching to one catcher over the other?
Shouldn't that weigh pretty heavily in this discussion?
No, it shouldn't. When pitchers trade teams they don't take their catchers with them. Yet they perform just as expected in most scenarios.
And how do they know who they are comfortable with. Mesoraco hasn't caught Cueto, Latos or Arroyo enough to have a clue how they would feel with him.
Re: Reds catching 2013 and after
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Originally Posted by
Trajinous
I disagree completely on this one. It's the catcher that suggests the pitches to the pitcher. The ability to have that communication is vital to successful pitchers.
By having the same catcher, they learn each other's little quirks like knowing when to block a curveball in the dirt. I think it helps continuity and creates a routine. Every pitcher I heard speak emphasizes the importance of a routine when starting. Changing the catcher could disrupt this and lead to mistakes like passed balls or pitch select disagreements.
They can talk all they want. When they change teams or a catcher goes down, they somehow figure out a way to pitch exactly as expected almost without fail.
Re: Reds catching 2013 and after
I don't care who Mes catches. But the Reds have to be flexible enough to make sure he doesn't sit on the bench for long stretches.
This kid has to play. If he's in the bigs, then he plays in the bigs. As much as possible.
Re: Reds catching 2013 and after
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Originally Posted by
dougdirt
No, it shouldn't. When pitchers trade teams they don't take their catchers with them. Yet they perform just as expected in most scenarios.
And how do they know who they are comfortable with. Mesoraco hasn't caught Cueto, Latos or Arroyo enough to have a clue how they would feel with him.
I completely disagree with your opinion here.
Pitchers are vital to team success. I'm willing to live with some spotty playing time for Mesoraco if it means the pitchers are happy with who is catching them.
Pitching is, after all, 50% of the game.
Re: Reds catching 2013 and after
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Originally Posted by
Scrap Irony
I completely disagree with your opinion here.
Pitchers are vital to team success. I'm willing to live with some spotty playing time for Mesoraco if it means the pitchers are happy with who is catching them.
Pitching is, after all, 50% of the game.
I think you are giving entirely too much credit to a pitchers ability to the guy who catches the ball when he throws it.
Re: Reds catching 2013 and after
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Originally Posted by
Trajinous
I disagree completely on this one. It's the catcher that suggests the pitches to the pitcher. The ability to have that communication is vital to successful pitchers.
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Dusty and Price are actually calling the game from the bench in most cases.
Re: Reds catching 2013 and after
Ok then. Put up or shut up time.
If Mes and Hanigan each caught the Reds staff for one full season. How much better would the staffs ERA be with Hanigan?
Re: Reds catching 2013 and after
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Originally Posted by
Scrap Irony
I completely disagree with your opinion here.
Pitchers are vital to team success. I'm willing to live with some spotty playing time for Mesoraco if it means the pitchers are happy with who is catching them.
Pitching is, after all, 50% of the game.
If pitching is 50% of the game and hitting is 50% of the game, and defense is 50% of the game and team speed is 50% of the game and team chemistry is 50% of the game and Adam Dunn's chair is 50% of the game and Marty is 50% of the game, that's like 350% of a game.
That's a lot.
Re: Reds catching 2013 and after
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Raisor
If pitching is 50% of the game and hitting is 50% of the game, and defense is 50% of the game and team speed is 50% of the game and team chemistry is 50% of the game and Adam Dunn's chair is 50% of the game and Marty is 50% of the game, that's like 350% of a game.
That's a lot.
According to Yogi, 90% of the game is mental, too.
Re: Reds catching 2013 and after
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Originally Posted by
dougdirt
I think you are giving entirely too much credit to a pitchers ability to the guy who catches the ball when he throws it.
No, I'm giving the pitcher as much comfort as I can, knowing that he's largely the reason why my team will win that particular game.
Re: Reds catching 2013 and after
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kaldaniels
Ok then. Put up or shut up time.
If Mes and Hanigan each caught the Reds staff for one full season. How much better would the staffs ERA be with Hanigan?
It isn't going to happen, so there is no way to try and confirm something one way or the other.
Last year, of the relievers on the team, more of them had a better ERA with Mesoraco than with Hanigan. If you remove Chapman from the situation, since Hanigan had a much larger portion of time catching him than Mesoraco, the rest of the bullpen had a better strikeout rate and walk rate with Mesoraco. But somehow, the starters would just all fall apart with him behind the plate.
Re: Reds catching 2013 and after
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dougdirt
I think you are giving entirely too much credit to a pitchers ability to the guy who catches the ball when he throws it.
So did Greg Maddox
Re: Reds catching 2013 and after
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westofyou
So did Greg Maddox
But Smoltz and Glavine were fine with Lopez.
Re: Reds catching 2013 and after
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Originally Posted by
dougdirt
It isn't going to happen, so there is no way to try and confirm something one way or the other.
Last year, of the relievers on the team, more of them had a better ERA with Mesoraco than with Hanigan. If you remove Chapman from the situation, since Hanigan had a much larger portion of time catching him than Mesoraco, the rest of the bullpen had a better strikeout rate and walk rate with Mesoraco. But somehow, the starters would just all fall apart with him behind the plate.
Of course. But the answer would give some perspective to the opinion that pitchers will do better with Hanigan.
Re: Reds catching 2013 and after
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Raisor
But Smoltz and Glavine were fine with Lopez.
They liked his smile