Votto Hitting verses walking
Members who have been here awhile know this has been hashed out many times but new members ARE new - let them have their go at it....but you guys might want to search the ORG archives before bringing this up once you get access there - it's been done many, many times.
I moved these posts from the 300/300 thread to stop the hijacking. New members - feel free to discuss your thoughts. The two camps shown in these first posts pretty much show the classic split.
Re: Votto Hitting verses walking
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Originally Posted by
RedlegJake
Members who have been here awhile know this has been hashed out many times but new members ARE new - let them have their go at it....but you guys might want to search the ORG archives before bringing this up once you get access there - it's been done many, many times.
I moved these posts from the 300/300 thread to stop the hijacking. New members - feel free to discuss your thoughts. The two camps shown in these first posts pretty much show the classic split.
Sorry it wasn't meant as a hijack but more to show that I don't think him breaking Rose's record is that great of an accomplishment to brag about for a #3 hitter. Rose was a leadoff or #2 hitter a great deal of the time, and it was his job to get on base.
Re: Votto Hitting verses walking
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Originally Posted by
Lewdog
Sorry it wasn't meant as a hijack but more to show that I don't think him breaking Rose's record is that great of an accomplishment to brag about for a #3 hitter. Rose was a leadoff or #2 hitter a great deal of the time, and it was his job to get on base.
The job of every hitter is to get on base. If a hitter goes to the plate and isn't trying to get on base, I don't want him going to the plate at all. If you don't make outs, you are going to score runs. Joey Votto produces a ton of runs. More than anyone on the team. Producing runs isn't just limited to the number in your RBI column.
Re: Votto Hitting verses walking
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Originally Posted by
dougdirt
The job of every hitter is to get on base. If a hitter goes to the plate and isn't trying to get on base, I don't want him going to the plate at all. If you don't make outs, you are going to score runs. Joey Votto produces a ton of runs. More than anyone on the team. Producing runs isn't just limited to the number in your RBI column.
With all due respect, Choo who has been on base less than Votto, and played in 8 less games, hit only 3 less home runs, has more doubles, and more stolen bases, yet is beating Votto by 5 runs scored. If Choo was hitting third and had the #4 and #5 hitters which are the two highest RBI guys on the team and includes Bruce who leads the team in RBIs and HR's coming to the plate with him on, he would have even more runs.
Yes Votto is getting on base, but his run total is as much if not more a credit to Bruce coming to bat while he is on base and having one of his best years of his career.
Re: Votto Hitting verses walking
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Originally Posted by
Lewdog
With all due respect, Choo who has been on base less than Votto, and played in 8 less games, hit only 3 less home runs, has more doubles, and more stolen bases, yet is beating Votto by 5 runs scored. If Choo was hitting third and had the #4 and #5 hitters which are the two highest RBI guys on the team and includes Bruce who leads the team in RBIs and HR's coming to the plate with him on, he would have even more runs.
Yes Votto is getting on base, but his run total is as much if not more a credit to Bruce coming to bat while he is on base and having one of his best years of his career.
Choo has the best hitter on the team batting behind him who moves him over a whole bunch because he also gets on base at an elite level. Votto on the flip side, has generally had an out making machine batting directly behind him this season (Brandon Phillips), who hasn't moved him over all that much because he makes a bunch of outs.
Joey Votto deserves a lot more credit than anyone for his runs total. Why? Because no one can drive him in if he doesn't first get on base.