Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
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thatcoolguy_22
With the new economics of the game when will the price per win be updated or do you think it will? No numbers to crunch here but the eye says instead of the 5 mil a win its now down to 4 or so.
Right now WAR adjusts it to $4.5M/win.
Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
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nate
A thought: hitting 30 in baseball isn't a guaranteed trip to the "Carrousel" a la "Logan's Run."
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Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
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Big Klu
But it is at RedsZone.
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Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
I like Figgins for the M's, and the free agent market in general so far seems pretty rational. But it's early.
Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
So the Mariners finally bit the bullet and released Figgins, who managed a .585 OPS (including back to back seasons hitting under .190) over 3 years with Seattle. Given that we have heard in the past scary rumors about the Reds being interested in him, I wouldn't be shocked to see Walt pick him up on a minor league deal.
Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
I suspect the Reds are looking for a utility guy who can play SS, which probably takes Figgins off the table. I'd hope the Reds wouldn't offer him more than a ST invite.
Figgins turned out to be one of the worst free agent signings ever. He's a reminder that playing in Seattle intensifies whatever flaws you might have as a hitter. He's also a poster boy for not splashing cash based on the one-year mirage effect of new age defensive stats (and if you do, at least play the guy at the position where he posted the stats).
Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
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Originally Posted by
M2
I suspect the Reds are looking for a utility guy who can play SS, which probably takes Figgins off the table. I'd hope the Reds wouldn't offer him more than a ST invite.
Figgins turned out to be one of the worst free agent signings ever. He's a reminder that playing in Seattle intensifies whatever flaws you might have as a hitter. He's also a poster boy for not splashing cash based on the one-year mirage effect of new age defensive stats (and if you do, at least play the guy at the position where he posted the stats).
Figgins had been a significantly above average player in 5 of the 6 seasons he was a starter prior to hitting free agency. Seattle paid him as if they expected him to be a league average player during his time in Seattle.
This was just one of those things that went horribly wrong for whatever reason.
Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
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Originally Posted by
jojo
Figgins had been a significantly above average player in 5 of the 6 seasons he was a starter prior to hitting free agency. Seattle paid him as if they expected him to be a league average player during his time in Seattle.
This was just one of those things that went horribly wrong for whatever reason.
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Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
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backbencher
My favorite thing about RedsZone?
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My favorite thing? Splark (rancid snark without factual basis and rotting with obfuscation).
Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
So he did go to the Carousel !!
Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
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My favorite thing about RedsZone?
Jack Zduriencik posts here.
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C'mon, jojo -- that's funny.
Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
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lollipopcurve
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C'mon, jojo -- that's funny.
Seconded.
Still, I agree with your point. Figgins colossal collapse isn't a thing anyone could see coming.
Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
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Originally Posted by
jojo
Figgins had been a significantly above average player in 5 of the 6 seasons he was a starter prior to hitting free agency. Seattle paid him as if they expected him to be a league average player during his time in Seattle.
This was just one of those things that went horribly wrong for whatever reason.
There were plenty of reasons.
1) He was a dead average hitter during his time with the Angels, generating more value with his legs than his bat. A guy like that heading into his 30s is generally a shaky investment.
2) Outside of 2009 he never was a standout defender.
3) Outside of 2009 he never posted a gaudy BB rate.
4) Age and Safeco robbed him of what little power he had, and once that was gone pitchers overpowered him.
As an aside, I certainly hope the Mariners didn't pay him $9 million a year to be average. Seattle had the worst offense in the AL in 2009 and needed to spend on players who could improve that sorry state of affairs.
Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
I would have been happy if the Reds had signed Figgins instead of Seattle, and I would have been wrong. While he would have had more success in Cincinnati than he did in Seattle, I would guess that he still would have been trending downward, and he wouldn't have been worth the money.
He was a player I liked a lot at the time, though.
Re: Chone Figgins to Seattle?
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lollipopcurve
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C'mon, jojo -- that's funny.
But I used alliteration and even made up a term. Mine was much closer to Shakespeare.