Re: Decision time with Dunn
Now that Wayner has moved Hamilton, who would perhaps have been the closest thing to Dunn-replacement at a relatively cheap five years, seems like we don't have much choice but to offer Dunn a LTC. An option to acquiring Volquez would have been to keep Hamilton, trade Dunn or let him walk, then use his salary to buy pitching. Makes Volquez a potentially very expensive option. Even though I like having Volquez, this could be another deal that blows up big time in Wayne's face, revealing again his tendency to way overpay.
Re: Decision time with Dunn
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HokieRed
Now that Wayner has moved Hamilton, who would perhaps have been the closest thing to Dunn-replacement at a relatively cheap five years, seems like we don't have much choice but to offer Dunn a LTC. An option to acquiring Volquez would have been to keep Hamilton, trade Dunn or let him walk, then use his salary to buy pitching. Makes Volquez a potentially very expensive option. Even though I like having Volquez, this could be another deal that blows up big time in Wayne's face, revealing again his tendency to way overpay.
Trade Dunn and pick up Alex Rios...not necessarily in the same deal. :thumbup:
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Why not sign Dunn and pick up Rios?
Re: Decision time with Dunn
I would like to agree with you, and I am a HUGE fan of Dunn.
However, I think there is MORE work to be done by WK before he considers that.
IF we can get another top-o-the-order SP - Bedard, Blanton, etc... - then I think he makes Dunn the next priority.
However, if we "only" go with an OLDER/Risky FA on a 1/2 year deal, then I think he might want to wait and see for next year. Having the flexibility to just let Dunn's Salary come off the books and spend it on FA 2009 Pitchers, which will be by all accounts MUCH better a pool to swim in.
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Re: Decision time with Dunn
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I would like to agree with you, and I am a HUGE fan of Dunn.
However, I think there is MORE work to be done by WK before he considers that.
IF we can get another top-o-the-order SP - Bedard, Blanton, etc... - then I think he makes Dunn the next priority.
However, if we "only" go with an OLDER/Risky FA on a 1/2 year deal, then I think he might want to wait and see for next year. Having the flexibility to just let Dunn's Salary come off the books and spend it on FA 2009 Pitchers, which will be by all accounts MUCH better a pool to swim in.
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Excellent point. Once some of the top FA starters start to sign LTCs to stay put or move one (Santana, Sabathia for example) the move to sign or not sign Dunn becomes an easier choice to make. There are 15-18 million reasons a year why this shouldn't be a rush job. Dunner seems to understand it's a business and I doubt that waiting will have any negative impact on the Reds' ability to sign him later.
Re: Decision time with Dunn
I'm really nervous on what is going to happen with the Dunn situation. I think its vital that Reds get him signed to a LTC, but if they don't how much of a loss will they take on him? If he hasn't signed before the season starts, its very important that the Reds are either in the thick of the race come June or completely out of it. I would hate to see the Reds hang on to Dunn until the end of the season and get nothing but draft picks out him, because I don't think the Reds have a chance if he goes to free agency. Krivsky has made some bold moves, but this is a decision that could effect the Reds for a few years.
Re: Decision time with Dunn
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BLEEDS
I would like to agree with you, and I am a HUGE fan of Dunn.
However, I think there is MORE work to be done by WK before he considers that.
IF we can get another top-o-the-order SP - Bedard, Blanton, etc... - then I think he makes Dunn the next priority.
However, if we "only" go with an OLDER/Risky FA on a 1/2 year deal, then I think he might want to wait and see for next year. Having the flexibility to just let Dunn's Salary come off the books and spend it on FA 2009 Pitchers, which will be by all accounts MUCH better a pool to swim in.
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Somebody has to play the outfield in 2009, and if we do indeed acquire a Bedard/Blanton I don't think there will be much need for a FA starting pitcher... With Griffey's money coming off the books and BCast's willingness to spend, I don't see why we couldn't resign Dunn AND bring in a FA pitcher. That would be a better allocation of resources than trading a bunch of young players for Bedard/Blanton and resigning Dunn IMO...
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One thing to keep in mind is that Dunn is the type of player with "old player" skills that generally do not age well and deteriorate quickly...
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Dunn needs to be signed long term period.
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*BaseClogger*
Somebody has to play the outfield in 2009, and if we do indeed acquire a Bedard/Blanton I don't think there will be much need for a FA starting pitcher... With Griffey's money coming off the books and BCast's willingness to spend, I don't see why we couldn't resign Dunn AND bring in a FA pitcher. That would be a better allocation of resources than trading a bunch of young players for Bedard/Blanton and resigning Dunn IMO...
I lost you after the bold part, seems you're contradicting yourself.
Care to re-state?
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Re: Decision time with Dunn
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I lost you after the bold part, seems you're contradicting yourself.
Care to re-state?
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Sure.
Seeing as I put the odds that all we do is sign an aging FA pitcher this year at 95%, I disagree with you that we should not resign Dunn and use the money on a FA pitcher. I'll assume that aging FA pitcher will be on a one-year contract, and therefore coming off the books with Griffey. In that case, I would prefer to see the Reds resign Dunn AND sign a 2009 FA pitcher because I think BCast is willing to spend the money...
Edit- the way I read it you gave us two paths:
1. trade for Bedard/Blanton and resign Dunn
2. Sign aging FA pitcher in 2008 and let Dunn walk, spending his money on 2009 FA pitcher
I created an additional alternative...
Re: Decision time with Dunn
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*BaseClogger*
Sure.
Seeing as I put the odds that all we do is sign an aging FA pitcher this year at 95%, I disagree with you that we should not resign Dunn and use the money on a FA pitcher. I'll assume that aging FA pitcher will be on a one-year contract, and therefore coming off the books with Griffey. In that case, I would prefer to see the Reds resign Dunn AND sign a 2009 FA pitcher because I think BCast is willing to spend the money...
Edit- the way I read it you gave us two paths:
1. trade for Bedard/Blanton and resign Dunn
2. Sign aging FA pitcher in 2008 and let Dunn walk, spending his money on 2009 FA pitcher
I created an additional alternative...
First off, I don't disagree with your assessment, I just think WK does. I don't agree with it, but it's my guess.
I think he wants the FLEXIBILITY of just saying "BYE" to Dunn - if he doesn't get a #1/#2 Starter this year - through trade - because his only option will be to $PEND LOT$ OF CA$H to do it in 2009 FA.
He could still do both, but my bet is that he WON'T extend him if we don't pick up that starter this year.
Also, the Griffey money is moot - it's already earmarked for the Raises due people like Harang and Arroyo.
However, I do agree that we COULD sign a SP regardless, BUT it would be a HUGE increase in Payroll - probably up to $95M.
Again, I think we can sustain that, especially if we are a playoff-caliber team, because our fan base CAN support that payroll and translate it to Profit for the Owners.
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Re: Decision time with Dunn
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*BaseClogger*
One thing to keep in mind is that Dunn is the type of player with "old player" skills that generally do not age well and deteriorate quickly...
I agree, that's why I think they will discuss him moving to 1B along with any LTC discussions. Otherwise, he's probably headed for the AL.
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Re: Decision time with Dunn
I'm fine with Dunn getting a LTC. You need that type of guy in the lineup. With Griffey nearing the end and Hamilton dealt, there's going to be a power void. As much crap as he gets here and on talk radio, he's still not exactly an easy guy to replace.