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Reds Sign LHP Manny Parra, DFA Todd Redmond
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Reds sign lefthanded reliever Manny Parra to 1-year contract, designate for assignment RHP Todd Redmond.
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There's your extra lefty. Misses bats, struggles with control. Nice upside pickup. Shame we're likely going to lose Redmond; he was nice depth. But Parra could start too.
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I thought this might happen. Not many lefty specialists left out there.
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A couple of last minute moves before heading to Arizona. This one makes sense; you had to think they would pick up a lefty. Potentially losing Redmond's no real concern.
Parra's not my favorite target due to his control issues, but there weren't a lot of choices.
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Ken Rosenthal
Source: Manny Parra deal with #Reds is one year, $1M with chance to earn another $400K in appearance bonuses. Major-league deal.
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Who just lost their spot in the pen? Please say Ondrusek.
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I'm not so sure that Parra making the roster is a given.
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RedsManRick
Who just lost their spot in the pen? Please say Ondrusek.
Ondrusek's on a two-year contract. I'm going to guess Simon gets traded with LeCure potentially headed to AAA in April.
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Nice move. Parra will help. Pen looks murky. This ensures Cingrani will start in AAA instead of in the Reds pen. Assuming Cueto, Latos, Bailey, Arroyo, Chapman and Leake take six spots, and that Broxton, Marshall and, IMO, Lecure are locks, that leaves three spots for Parra, Arredondo, Ondrusek, Hoover, Masset and Simon. The best of the bunch likely starts out in AAA. I'm guessing we'll see a couple guys moved n Spring. I'm sure the Reds are hoping Masset looks healthy and the Reds can find a taker for his $3.1 Million.
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mth123
Nice move. Parra will help. Pen looks murky. This ensures Cingrani will start in AAA instead of in the Reds pen. Assuming Cueto, Latos, Bailey, Arroyo, Chapman and Leake take six spots, and that Broxton, Marshall and, IMO, Lecure are locks, that leaves three spots for Parra, Arredondo, Ondrusek, Hoover, Masset and Simon. The best of the bunch likely starts out in AAA. I'm guessing we'll see a couple guys moved n Spring. I'm sure the Reds are hoping Masset looks healthy and the Reds can find a taker for his $3.1 Million.
Guessing Reds will go north with Chapman (short stay), Parra, Marshall, Lecure, Broxton, Hoover, and Simon in the bullpen.
Ondrusek in the minors. Arredondo in the minors or traded. Masset in rehab to get healthy.
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Kc61
Guessing Reds will go north with Chapman (short stay), Parra, Marshall, Lecure, Broxton, Hoover, and Simon in the bullpen.
Ondrusek in the minors. Arredondo in the minors or traded. Masset in rehab to get healthy.
I'd be happy if it plays out the way you say. I'd prefer Arredondo over Simon, but I just think Hoover goes down because he can and the others may not be able to.
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Walt swooping in for a couple of nice depth signings late in the offseason. I like this move -- Parra has solid stuff, and a lefty is needed.
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Is it possible that the Reds could trade Todd Redmond for Russ Canzler? The Reds could trade a pitcher for another utility man. Unless the Reds think Redmond can clear waivers?
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Yankees Designate Russ Canzler For Assignment
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [February 1 at 3:12pm CST]
The Yankees designated first baseman/outfielder Russ Canzler for assignment, the team announced. The move creates roster space for Travis Hafner, whose deal with the Yankees is now official.
Canzler has been claimed off of waivers three times this winter, and it won't be surprising if a team picks him up again before he clears waivers. The Yankees claimed Canzler on January 4th, the Indians claimed him on January 2nd and the Blue Jays claimed him on December 21st.
Canzler appeared in 26 games for the Indians this past season. The 26-year-old posted a .269/.299/.398 batting line in 97 MLB plate appearances while playing first base and left field. He spent most of the season at Triple-A, where he posted a .265/.328/.487 batting line with 22 home runs and 36 doubles in 539 plate appearances
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mth123
I'd be happy if it plays out the way you say. I'd prefer Arredondo over Simon, but I just think Hoover goes down because he can and the others may not be able to.
I think you're selling Walt short, mth. He knows that Hoover has value. He kept the kid on the post-season roster. He pitched late innings.
Simon is the innings eater, the mop up guy, the long man. He's the only such guy they have. Lecure no longer plays that role, he's advanced to later innings.
Barring injury, I think Arredondo and Ondrusek are on the bubble.
As for Hoover, I think he makes it -- unless he has a bad spring. He's easy to send down if he doesn't look good in Arizona.
Looked at Parra's splits as a reliever last year, was tough on lefties.
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Kc61
I think you're selling Walt short, mth. He knows that Hoover has value. He kept the kid on the post-season roster. He pitched late innings.
Simon is the innings eater, the mop up guy, the long man. He's the only such guy they have. Lecure no longer plays that role, he's advanced to later innings.
Barring injury, I think Arredondo and Ondrusek are on the bubble.
As for Hoover, I think he makes it -- unless he has a bad spring. He's easy to send down if he doesn't look good in Arizona.
Looked at Parra's splits as a reliever last year, was tough on lefties.
I think Leake or Chapman serves as the long guy while the transition to Chapman in the rotation is going on with Leake eventually filling that role. Simon will be 32 in May and last year was the first time he was better than abysmal, I'm not a believer. Arredondo is a better pitcher IMO and fits better in shorter relief. I hope it doesn't come down to options. If so, Hoover heads to AAA when he should be the Reds top RH set-up guy. I have a feeling Ondrusek's ill-advised 2 year deal causes the move of Hoover to AAA.
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I like the signing....especially with what lefties (if any) were still available. Hopefully, working with Price will help with the control issues and confidence.
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Nice signing, IMO. Parra held lefties to a .635 OPS in 124 plate appearances last season.
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Hoover and Ondrusek have options left. Masset will prob start the year on the DL, rehab assignment. Chapman will start the year in the bullpen, on the "Kris Medlen" plan. So as of now, our bullpen will look like this:
Chapman
Broxton
Marshall
Arredondo
LeCure
Simon
Parra
Hoover and Ondrusek at AAA Louisville
Masset on the DL
Leake as the 5th starter
This is the most likely scenario
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I have a feeling, once April rolls around, we will all be thinking the Reds don't have enough relief pitching options, lol.
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Red Swagger
Hoover and Ondrusek have options left. Masset will prob start the year on the DL, rehab assignment. Chapman will start the year in the bullpen, on the "Kris Medlen" plan. So as of now, our bullpen will look like this:
Chapman
Broxton
Marshall
Arredondo
LeCure
Simon
Parra
Hoover and Ondrusek at AAA Louisville
Masset on the DL
Leake as the 5th starter
This is the most likely scenario
What's the status of Ondrusek's option clock? Once a guy is in the big leagues so long, options or not, he needs to pass through waivers to be sent down to AAA. I think for Leake, this occurs sometime in mid April 2013. Not sure on Ondrusek.
I wouldn't be upset if the Reds had to put Ondrusek through waivers and somebody took him. I'd be happy about it actually.
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Another thing to keep in mind here: 2012 was Parra's first season as a reliever and he was coming off a major injury. In his second season as a reliever and not coming back from injury, I'm expecting us to look back on this as an excellent value signing by the Reds.
Great job this offseason, Walt. 3 cheers for you! (And 3 beers for me. x4.)
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I like the Parra gamble. Reminds me of a LH Simon.
Price tends to work well with this sort of guy. (Chapman, Bailey, Simon, Arredondo-- all found better control/ approach under the Red pitching coach.)
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Scrap Irony
I like the Parra gamble. Reminds me of a LH Simon.
Price tends to work well with this sort of guy. (Chapman, Bailey, Simon, Arredondo-- all found better control/ approach under the Red pitching coach.)
And you gotta like it when a "gamble" means risking all of $1 million. (Petty change in MLB where the average salary for a player is nearly $3 million.)
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Another good depth signing. You can always use leftys that can actually get lefty hitters out.
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All I can say after Olivo and Parra - is there a real hole left that Walt hasn't made a credible shot at filling this off season? Really like both these signings as last minutr details that needed attending. Seen more meaningful to the point moves this offseason than I ever have.
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I know overexposing Jason Donald/Izturis would qualify, but the only thing I see missing from Walt's usual MO is a veteran bench guy who can't hit. Only a little hint of sarcasm there...
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LoganBuck
I know overexposing Jason Donald/Izturis would qualify, but the only thing I see missing from Walt's usual MO is a veteran bench guy who can't hit. Only a little hint of sarcasm there...
That's why he'll ink Rolen soon. :)
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I don't care for the signing much on a major league deal but hopefully he's not a lock to make the roster even with his $1M contract. Ondrusek and Arredondo both get lefties out at a better rate than Parra. So maybe Simon is the odd man out since he has relatively high BAA despite a low ERA and high GO/AO? Or Hoover, simply because he has options?
Unless there is a startling development in Spring Training, I wouldn't mind seeing Parra DFA'd before the team goes North
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mth123
I think Leake or Chapman serves as the long guy while the transition to Chapman in the rotation is going on with Leake eventually filling that role. Simon will be 32 in May and last year was the first time he was better than abysmal, I'm not a believer. Arredondo is a better pitcher IMO and fits better in shorter relief. I hope it doesn't come down to options. If so, Hoover heads to AAA when he should be the Reds top RH set-up guy. I have a feeling Ondrusek's ill-advised 2 year deal causes the move of Hoover to AAA.
There is no way in heck that Hoover is sent down unless he comes in out of shape and tries to think he has it made already. Option or not. Come on. :confused:
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Scrap Irony
I like the Parra gamble. Reminds me of a LH Simon.
Price tends to work well with this sort of guy. (Chapman, Bailey, Simon, Arredondo-- all found better control/ approach under the Red pitching coach.)
That's certainly the hope. Assessing this signing really comes down to your level of confidence in the Reds brain trust.
Based on his career to date, Parra's a horrible pitcher, consistently easy to hit despite his K rate. Yet the K rate is there and the HR rate dropped sharply after he converted to the pen. It's something to work with, but the Reds need to be willing to cut bait on Parra if he isn't delivering.
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Parra is kind of the left-handed lovechild from Alfredo Simon and Jose Arredondo's "Summer of '12."
He sure walks a ton of dudes but he strikes them out as well. The question is, can he maintain a low HR-rate?
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M2
That's certainly the hope. Assessing this signing really comes down to your level of confidence in the Reds brain trust.
Based on his career to date, Parra's a horrible pitcher, consistently easy to hit despite his K rate. Yet the K rate is there and the HR rate dropped sharply after he converted to the pen. It's something to work with, but the Reds need to be willing to cut bait on Parra if he isn't delivering.
Yeah, having now gone through Parra's lifetime stats, I withdraw any previous posts suggesting he is very likely to go north with the club.
I'm not so sure. He needs to have a good spring. I could easily see the Reds keeping Arredondo, Ondrusek, Hoover, Simon, any of them over Parra. He's simply in the competition.
Parra's lifetime WHIP is quit high, allows a lot of base runners, I'm just not sure he'll make it, we'll see.
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Going game by game through Parra's big runs scored against games. He got tagged with a lot of inherited runners scoring. (Granted he allowed the baserunners, but the other bullpen guys didn't really pick him up much)Also he tended to get whacked around in games where he pitched two innings. The Brewers defense was also bad.
I like this as a bargain signing.
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lollipopcurve
Walt swooping in for a couple of nice depth signings late in the offseason. I like this move -- Parra has solid stuff, and a lefty is needed.
Spot on.
Our last few spots in the pen (and on the bench) will be occupied by "the hot hand" I.E. even the guy who heads North out of Spring Training will have to keep performing or he may get demoted.
I like the competition these moves are likely to stir up.
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camisadelgolf
Ondrusek's on a two-year contract. I'm going to guess Simon gets traded with LeCure potentially headed to AAA in April.
Why would they ever choose Ondrusek over LeCure?
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Tony Cloninger
There is no way in heck that Hoover is sent down unless he comes in out of shape and tries to think he has it made already. Option or not. Come on. :confused:
So who goes down? Ondrusek and his two year deal? Simon who they just signed? Parra who they just signed? Masset and his $3.1 Million contract? Arredondo and his $1.4 Miillion guarantee? I hope you're right, but I'm not convinced that he won't be the odd man out. 6 Starters, Broxton, Marshall, Lecure, Simon, Ondrusek, Arredondo, Parra, Masset that's 14 guys with a claim to a spot without counting Hoover. The reds would have to be willing to do something with 3 of them for Hoover to make the team. Its why I would have non-tendered Onsdrusek and Simon.
Heck, not only should Hoover make it, but Cingrani is probably better than most of those guys as well. I know they want him to start, but if its win now, I think they are better in 2013 with Cingrani in the pen rather than Ondrusek, Arredondo, Masset, Simon or Parra. I can already hear the "sometimes it comes down to who has options" speech.
I'm happy they signed Parra though. He's one I'd keep. For me Simon, Ondrusek and Masset would be the guys I'd be looking to move. I like Arredondo better than those guys, but if they could get something for him while keeping one of the others, that would be OK as well.
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mth123
So who goes down? Ondrusek and his two year deal? Simon who they just signed? Parra who they just signed? Masset and his $3.1 Million contract? Arredondo and his $1.4 Miillion guarantee? I hope you're right, but I'm not convinced that he won't be the odd man out. 6 Starters, Broxton, Marshall, Lecure, Simon, Ondrusek, Arredondo, Parra, Masset that's 14 guys with a claim to a spot without counting Hoover. The reds would have to be willing to do something with 3 of them for Hoover to make the team. Its why I would have non-tendered Onsdrusek and Simon.
Heck, not only should Hoover make it, but Cingrani is probably better than most of those guys as well. I know they want him to start, but if its win now, I think they are better in 2013 with Cingrani in the pen rather than Ondrusek, Arredondo, Masset, Simon or Parra. I can already hear the "sometimes it comes down to who has options" speech.
I'm happy they signed Parra though. He's one I'd keep. For me Simon, Ondrusek and Masset would be the guys I'd be looking to move. I like Arredondo better than those guys, but if they could get something for him while keeping one of the others, that would be OK as well.
The likelihood is that Chapman will be in the pen to begin. He won't be a long man, what a waste of talent, he will pitch important innings even if he's not closing.
I think Simon is very llkely to stay. He's simply the innings eater. I guess Leake could play that role, but IMO Chappy is likely to begin in the pen, Leake in the rotation.
Masset missed a full season, I think he's a long shot to make the big club right away. They will want some rehab time for him.
So that means, we have a pen of Chapman, Marshall, Lecure, Simon, Broxton pretty well established.
IMO, Hoover, Arredondo, Ondrusek, Parra vie for the two remaining spots. Jose had a bad second half, Ondrusek was sent down last year, Hoover is less experienced and has options, Parra has had some poor numbers.
I think any combination of two within that group is possible to round out the pen.
The more interesting issue is what happens when Chapman goes to the rotation, which I'm guessing occurs later in the season.
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This signing-- and the possible Rolen signing-- sets up Jocketty to make either a couple of small deals this spring or one fairly large one.
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camisadelgolf
Ondrusek's on a two-year contract. I'm going to guess Simon gets traded with LeCure potentially headed to AAA in April.
LeCure is our best long man and has been pretty good the last couple of years. I also have a sweet spot for Sam now after what he did in game 1 of the nlds. IMO no way he touches AAA anytime soon unless injured.
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Any reliever (aside from Broxton) should be available-- and the only reason he's not available is that he just signed a deal to stay here, and it'd be bad form to deal him before the season. (Marshall would be in the same boat, were he not dealt for something ridiculous.)
Relievers are too violatile. And the Reds have a ton of them.
That said, there are some-- Hoover, the aforementioned Marshall-- that I'd be reluctant to deal.
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Tony Cloninger
There is no way in heck that Hoover is sent down unless he comes in out of shape and tries to think he has it made already. Option or not. Come on. :confused:
I think you, and a whole lot of other people, are going to be disappointed when it happens this spring. There simply isn't room for him because he has options that other people don't.
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DGullett35
LeCure is our best long man and has been pretty good the last couple of years. I also have a sweet spot for Sam now after what he did in game 1 of the nlds. IMO no way he touches AAA anytime soon unless injured.
I don't want to see it happen either, but who do you think is more likely to get optioned: LeCure making the league minimum, or Leake making millions?