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Constante. From everything I've read, he sounds like the real deal.
Finally get to vote for somebody other than Waldrop. Went back to my usual preference for pitchers: Cisco.
Contreras, based solely on the Reds decision to protect him.
Can anyone comment on the defense of Zach Vincej?
This one will be Wright, but I went Costante. I see some interesting battles among pitching prospects looming.
That said, Im honestly wondering what the guy who keeps picking Curtis Partch sees in a 26 year old who had a 4.73 ERA and 4.2 BB/9 at AA and doesnt seem to have a spot in the AAA rotation this year.
I'm not the Partch voter, but he's no longer a starting pitcher. He was a dreadful starter for more than four years, and then, early last season, they moved him to the pen and he took off. He had two or three awful outings but by and large was outstanding in relief. He's a big guy whose good stuff seems to play well in that role. Looking in from the outside, he was immediately transformed from hopeless to prospect.Quote:
Originally Posted by OGB
I went Cisco again.
I am still trying to get a sense of the type of prospect that Vincej is. The following link suggests that he is a superior defender.
http://www.pepperdinesports.com/spor...063012aaa.html
Yet he was drafted in the 37th round and signed without a bonus. BA did not post a scouting report on him. Was it believed that he would return to school? or never hit? His small sample stats in a hitter's league showed promise. Any thoughts?
Yes, Vincej fell because it was believed he would return to school. However, he was never considered a top talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by RED VAN HOT
While it's probably too early for him, I'm going with Vincej. It's a crapshoot at this point, but his defense (WCC Defensive Player of the Year and ABCA/Rawlings Gold Glove) combined with the bat he showed in Billings give some hope (granted, the .336/.393/.434 line came with a .382 BABIP).
A bit of a lottery ticket, but he smells a lot like Cozart to me. Brooks Wallace Award Winner for best college shortstop, redsof72 was high on him, and though it's not verified anywhere, being a deadline signee I wonder if he was signed over slot money.
I wouldn't vote for Vincej if we went to 75 prospects. He is a glove. His bat is weak. It projects to keep being weak.
That seems a bit hyperbolic.Quote:
Originally Posted by dougdirt
In a 143 ABs in Billings, he had 12 extra base hits. At 21, he 's only 165 lbs., so there's still a chance he could fill out and develop some power.
It sounds like he's capable of plus defense. At a premium position, he doesn't need to hit like Cal Ripken, Jr. to have some value to the organization.
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Originally Posted by BillDoran
He had an IsoP of roughly .100 in the Pioneer League coming out of college. That is incredibly poor power output. If he is that size at 21 after playing college baseball (where they have gyms and trainers and training regimens), he probably isn't going to put on a bunch of weight.
I am not saying he can't be of value to the organization. Maybe he turns into a Miguel Rojas type. But I don't see him ever being a Major Leaguer.
I think you're underselling his bat.Quote:
Originally Posted by dougdirt
Miguel Rojas has never OPS'd over .665. His slash numbers at Billings (albeit at age 19) were .183/.243/.245.
While I realize Vincej's numbers were largely BABIP-driven, he's a different caliber at the plate than Rojas. Last year at Pepperdine, he OPS'd .848, followed by .826 in Billings.
I've witnessed this debate before and know you'll argue this ad nauseam. My concluding point: We're picking longshots at this point. A plus-glove SS with some moxie and chance to hit has some value to the organization.
My point was more that he is all glove, no bat. Not that he was a clone of Rojas.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillDoran
And really we aren't picking longshots here. Well, unless you happened to have voted for Vincej.
You're welcome to all the confidence you'd like, but here are the previous five #24s.Quote:
Originally Posted by dougdirt
2012 - Brodie Green
2011 - Henry Rodriguez
2010 - Jordan Smith
2009 - Alex Buchholz
2008 - Marcus McBeth
Ryan Wright? A college prospect who doesn't play a premium defensive position, and didn't do much with the stick last year over our new bonus baby with a golden arm? That doesn't make sense to me.
Does it really matter? It's practically a crapshoot after the first four prospects.
Three guys with MLB service time. Guys ranked in the 20-30 range turn out to be Major Leaguers. Looking at my personal lists, guys like Jeremy Horst, Pedro Villarreal, Denis Phipps, Henry Rodriguez, Daryl Thompson, Kristopher Negron, Sam LeCure, Pedro Viola, Enerio Del Rosario, Matt Maloney, Travis Wood, Robert Manual, Chris Heisey, Chris Dickerson, Paul Janish, Ramon Ramirez, Craig Tatum and Miguel Perez have all been ranked 25th or lower and have all spent some amount of time in the Major Leagues and several guys have spent decent time there. Major Leaguers are still out there on this list.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillDoran
We have a new bonus baby with a golden arm? And please don't say Constante, because while he has a good arm, it isn't separating itself from plenty of other ones that aren't being voted for yet either (Ravin, Partch, Romano, Kivel, Perez).Quote:
Originally Posted by Edd Roush
Constante's not a bonus baby. Guys who get millions like Yorman and Duran are bonus babies. Constante got third to fifth round money. If that is your definition of a bonus baby then Wright is one as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edd Roush
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Originally Posted by dougdirt
I like Constante's upside more than any other pitcher you listed. I am about upside and potential impact on the bigs. Constante and others have that. Wright didn't hit in Dayton and doesn't have a bunch of raw tools either.
Josh Ravin can throw 101 MPH. Constante hasn't thrown a pitch to a professional batter yet. Ravin has dominated AA at times as a starting pitcher. His upside, while he may not be likely to reach it, is more than Constante. Sal Romano is the same age as Constante is, he held his own in the Pioneer League, throws just as hard, is taller and is a groundball machine. His upside is probably just as good, if not better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edd Roush
I could make an argument to put 15-20 different guys here and be fine with it. Wright is one of those guys.
I agree there isn't too much of a differentiator between the arms, I just don't see the love for Wright.Quote:
Originally Posted by dougdirt
A reason I like Constante more than Ravin is that Ravin's warts are very apparent already. Dude has a plus fastball, but still only has a 1:1 K:BB ratio. We should hope that Constante will have a much better than Ravin's career 6.71 BB/9.