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I agree hearsay is hearsay. but I lived in atlanta in the entire time klesko was with Braves and I don't recall anyone ever calling him a bad guy. now, I could be wrong on that, but ......Quote:
I have no clue if Jimenez is a badguy or not. Klesko, when he was in Atlanta was a so called problem too, so who knows?
I've been here since 88 myself..Quote:
Originally posted by pedro
I agree hearsay is hearsay. but I lived in atlanta in the entire time klesko was with Braves and I don't recall anyone ever calling him a bad guy. now, I could be wrong on that, but ......
I didn't say that Klesko was a "bad guy", but there were some rumblings about him..he complained about playing time, mostly because Cox refused to let him hit against LHP.
Not saying that Klesko wasn't right to complain either, Bobby screwed him for a long time.
PSR
Don't want to start anything about race, creed, etc...but latino's seem to get more of a rap for not working hard and that always strikes me as odd. In this case -he came back from a broken neck for god's sake. He may be a real lazy guy-but that seems to be a good sign.
Lastly, did anyone notice in the SI player ratings that most of the guys who were considered lazy were latino--most of the guys considered hard working were white.
These guys come to a foreign country--they raised in poverty (for the most part) and sign for peanuts. Many of them dint even have proper diets, yet they get considered "lazy". That strikes me as a little bit of pre-judgement.
Good points all around coop, and that's why I think Jimenez is more than worth a look. But I will also point out that Klesko's played with hundreds of players from Latin America, and Jimenez was the one guy he pegged as the 'laziest in 10 years.'
Joe Morgan had a reputation before he came to Cincinnati; he said it was because people in the Houston clubhouse/front office were prejudiced. History would suggest that Morgan was correct.
Maybe Klesko didn't think he spent enough time in the weight room or something frivolous like that.
All I'm saying is that if D-Lo dogs it, we've been warned.
Jiminez is far from a guaranteed salve for any of the Reds' ills. He's got the ability to be a good hitter, but he hasn't been one. His defense and speed never rebounded after the car crash. As chili notes, his attitude has left many unimpressed.
Yet I still like the trade. He's got abillity and he's played well enough to hold down a big league roster spot. Sometimes players take a long time to figure it all out - Mark McLemore springs to mind.
I like Scott Dunn. He had arguably the best stuff in the system (well, now that Ryan Wagner's around, the second-best stuff). He looks like he might be putting things together in AA as a reliever, but he's been on a yo-yo all year. Everytime his ERA starts to get low, he gets shelled and it's another 10 days before he's back under 4.00 again. He's got talent, a lot of it. IMO another organization would be wise to try him in the rotation again and see if they can sort him out.
But I like the trade. As Arschloch noted, they're almost the same age and Jiminez has been in the majors for three years already. He'll get a shot at 2B soon enough no matter what Jimbo says in public. If D'Angelo hits, the job will be his no questions asked.
Let's see, that gives the Reds Jiminez, Olmedo and Lopez as 25-and-under 2B/SS candidates. What are the odds of Barry Larkin finishing the month as a Red if the club continues to lose touch with .500? IMO, not high.
I don't think this is a bad trade by any stretch of the imagination. It only costs us Scott Dunn, who I don't see as a player that will help the major league team. At worst, D'Angelo is a bat off the bench that can play 3 different infield positions. At best, he could be our starting 2nd baseman and leadoff hitter. This seems to me, to be a good long term and short term trade.
I think Castro is gone. Be it after the season is over, if not sooner.
This gives the Reds 3 switch hitters for SS & 2nd to look at long term. 22 year old Olmedo, 25 year old Jimenez and 23 year old Lopez.
We haven't discussed this trade could be the start or another trade. The Reds take a few days to get to know and rate Jimemez with their other MIs. Then they can package one of their MIs with other players for a starting pitcher. Florida might want one of our MIs if LC is leaving the Marlins in a deal for SP Penny. Who knows Jimemez might be leaving again soon but I doubt it.
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#5 D'Angelo Jimenez Chicago White Sox | Roster | Statistics
AVG
.255 HR
7 RBI
26
Age: 25
Height: 6-0
Weight: 195 lbs.
Bats: Both
Throws: Right
Pos: 2B
Born: December 21, 1977, Santo Domingo, DR
Full Name: D'Angelo Jimenez
College: None
Experience: 4 years
Debut: 1999
2003 Salary: $345,000
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BATTING SPLITS: 2003
BATTING: 2001 | 2002 | 2003 | THREE YEAR (2000-2002)
PITCHING: 2002 | THREE YEAR (2000-2002)
Overall AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Total 271 35 69 11
5
7
26
32
0
46
4
3
.255
.332
.410
.742
As RHB 64 0 19 2
0
1
7
6
0
10
0
0
.297
.357
.375
.732
As LHB 207 0 50 9
5
6
19
26
0
36
0
0
.242
.325
.420
.745
By Breakdown AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
vs. Left 64 7 19 2
0
1
7
6
0
10
1
1
.297
.357
.375
.732
vs. Right 207 28 50 9
5
6
19
26
0
36
3
2
.242
.325
.420
.745
Home 125 14 30 5
3
3
12
16
0
25
3
1
.240
.326
.400
.726
Road 146 21 39 6
2
4
14
16
0
21
1
2
.267
.337
.418
.755
Day 99 13 28 3
3
4
18
16
0
14
0
0
.283
.379
.495
.874
Night 172 22 41 8
2
3
8
16
0
32
4
3
.238
.303
.360
.663
Grass 229 29 55 10
5
6
21
29
0
39
4
3
.240
.324
.406
.730
Turf 42 6 14 1
0
1
5
3
0
7
0
0
.333
.378
.429
.807
Dome 34 4 11 1
0
0
3
1
0
6
0
0
.324
.343
.353
.696
Open 237 31 58 10
5
7
23
31
0
40
4
3
.245
.331
.418
.749
By Day/Month AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Last 7 Days 4 0 1 0
0
0
1
2
0
0
0
0
.250
.500
.250
.750
March 4 0 0 0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000
.000
.000
.000
April 91 14 27 6
4
3
10
15
0
14
2
2
.297
.396
.549
.945
May 85 11 25 3
0
1
5
11
0
11
0
1
.294
.375
.365
.740
June 91 10 17 2
1
3
11
6
0
21
2
0
.187
.235
.330
.565
Pre All-Star 271 35 69 11
5
7
26
32
0
46
4
3
.255
.332
.410
.742
By Opponent AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
vs. ARI 10 0 1 0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
.100
.100
.100
.200
vs. BAL 22 3 6 2
0
0
0
3
0
6
0
1
.273
.360
.364
.724
vs. BOS 15 3 3 1
0
0
2
2
0
6
1
0
.200
.294
.267
.561
vs. CHC 16 0 1 0
0
0
1
3
0
5
0
0
.063
.211
.063
.274
vs. CLE 38 8 17 2
2
3
9
7
0
2
1
1
.447
.522
.842
1.364
vs. DET 30 6 10 3
2
2
5
4
0
5
0
0
.333
.412
.767
1.179
vs. KAN 20 3 4 0
1
0
0
4
0
2
1
0
.200
.333
.300
.633
vs. LOS 11 2 2 0
0
0
2
0
0
1
1
0
.182
.182
.182
.364
vs. MIN 37 2 8 1
0
0
1
2
0
9
0
0
.216
.256
.243
.499
vs. OAK 11 0 1 1
0
0
1
1
0
1
0
0
.091
.167
.182
.349
vs. SDG 5 0 0 0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
.000
.000
.000
.000
vs. SFO 13 1 2 0
0
1
1
0
0
4
0
0
.154
.154
.385
.539
vs. SEA 18 3 8 1
0
0
0
4
0
0
0
1
.444
.545
.500
1.045
vs. TOR 25 4 6 0
0
1
4
2
0
4
0
0
.240
.296
.360
.656
By Stadium AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Bank One Ballpark 10 0 1 0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
.100
.100
.100
.200
Camden Yards 10 1 2 1
0
0
0
2
0
3
0
1
.200
.333
.300
.633
Wrigley Field 8 0 0 0
0
0
0
1
0
4
0
0
.000
.111
.000
.111
Jacobs Field 22 4 8 1
1
2
5
4
0
1
0
1
.364
.444
.773
1.217
Comerica Park 14 3 6 2
1
1
1
1
0
2
0
0
.429
.467
.929
1.396
Kauffman Stadium 12 3 2 0
0
0
0
2
0
1
0
0
.167
.286
.167
.453
Dodger Stadium 11 2 2 0
0
0
2
0
0
1
1
0
.182
.182
.182
.364
Metrodome 25 2 8 1
0
0
1
1
0
4
0
0
.320
.346
.360
.706
Network Coliseum 7 0 1 1
0
0
1
1
0
1
0
0
.143
.250
.286
.536
SkyDome 17 4 6 0
0
1
4
2
0
3
0
0
.353
.421
.529
.950
By Pitcher AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
vs P 1st time in G 131 15 31 6
0
3
12
19
0
27
2
1
.237
.331
.351
.682
vs P 2nd time in G 66 11 21 2
2
3
9
7
0
9
1
2
.318
.384
.545
.929
vs P 3rd time in G 57 6 13 1
3
1
5
5
0
9
1
0
.228
.290
.404
.694
vs P 4th+ time in G 17 0 4 2
0
0
0
1
0
1
0
0
.235
.278
.353
.631
vs Groundball 64 10 16 4
1
1
7
9
0
9
1
0
.250
.342
.391
.733
vs Average G:F 151 16 33 5
4
4
12
14
0
27
2
0
.219
.285
.384
.669
vs Flyball 56 9 20 2
0
2
7
9
0
10
1
3
.357
.439
.500
.939
vs Finesse 57 9 18 4
0
1
12
6
0
8
1
1
.316
.381
.439
.820
vs Average F:P 71 7 16 1
4
3
3
7
0
12
2
0
.225
.295
.479
.774
vs Power 143 19 35 6
1
3
11
19
0
26
1
2
.245
.331
.364
.695
By Position AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
As Second Baseman 263 35 68 11
5
7
25
30
0
45
4
3
.259
.333
.418
.751
As Third Baseman 3 0 1 0
0
0
1
2
0
0
0
0
.333
.600
.333
.933
As Pinch Hitter 5 0 0 0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
.000
.000
.000
.000
By Count AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Count 0-0 18 0 3 0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
.167
.167
.167
.334
Count 0-1 25 0 8 1
0
0
2
0
0
0
1
1
.320
.320
.360
.680
After 0-1 140 0 36 5
3
7
18
9
0
35
0
1
.257
.300
.486
.786
Count 0-2 12 0 2 0
1
1
1
0
0
3
0
1
.167
.167
.583
.750
After 0-2 42 0 7 0
2
3
4
3
0
18
0
1
.167
.222
.476
.698
Count 1-1 41 0 16 2
2
1
3
0
0
0
2
0
.390
.381
.610
.991
After 1-1 128 0 36 6
2
4
18
17
0
26
0
1
.281
.363
.453
.816
Count 1-2 45 0 9 1
0
4
7
0
0
25
0
1
.200
.200
.489
.689
After 1-2 83 0 15 3
1
4
9
7
0
38
0
1
.181
.244
.386
.630
Count 1-0 22 0 4 1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
.182
.182
.227
.409
After 1-0 113 0 30 6
2
0
8
23
0
11
0
1
.265
.390
.354
.744
Count 2-0 13 0 3 1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
.231
.231
.308
.539
After 2-0 36 0 11 3
1
0
2
12
0
2
0
0
.306
.479
.444
.923
Count 2-1 20 0 8 2
1
0
5
0
0
0
0
0
.400
.400
.600
1.000
After 2-1 51 0 16 2
1
1
11
15
0
4
0
0
.314
.470
.451
.921
Count 2-2 35 0 7 2
0
0
3
0
0
11
1
0
.200
.200
.257
.457
After 2-2 56 0 9 2
1
0
4
16
0
14
0
0
.161
.347
.232
.579
Count 3-2 29 0 4 1
1
0
2
19
0
7
0
0
.138
.479
.241
.720
After 3-2 29 0 4 1
1
0
2
19
0
7
0
0
.138
.479
.241
.720
By Batting Order AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Batting #1 219 30 60 10
5
7
22
24
0
30
3
3
.274
.344
.461
.805
Batting #2 44 5 8 1
0
0
2
7
0
14
1
0
.182
.294
.205
.499
Batting #8 5 0 1 0
0
0
2
1
0
1
0
0
.200
.333
.200
.533
Batting #9 3 0 0 0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
.000
.000
.000
.000
By Situation AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
None On 188 6 47 6
4
6
6
20
0
36
0
0
.250
.322
.420
.742
Runners On 83 29 22 5
1
1
20
12
0
10
4
3
.265
.354
.386
.740
Scoring Position 49 22 11 2
0
0
16
8
0
6
0
0
.224
.328
.265
.593
1B Only 34 7 11 3
1
1
4
4
0
4
4
3
.324
.395
.559
.954
On Second 22 3 5 1
0
0
5
4
0
2
0
0
.227
.346
.273
.619
On Third 4 1 1 0
0
0
2
0
0
2
0
0
.250
.200
.250
.450
First and Second 7 4 1 0
0
0
1
1
0
1
0
0
.143
.250
.143
.393
First and Third 6 6 1 0
0
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
.167
.286
.167
.453
Second and Third 3 2 1 0
0
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
.333
.500
.333
.833
Bases Loaded 7 6 2 1
0
0
6
1
0
1
0
0
.286
.375
.429
.804
None On/Out 101 1 22 4
2
1
1
7
0
21
0
0
.218
.269
.327
.596
None On, 1/2 out 87 5 25 2
2
5
5
13
0
15
0
0
.287
.380
.529
.909
Men On, 2 out 37 8 11 3
0
0
10
5
0
3
0
2
.297
.381
.378
.759
Man on 3rd, <2 out 6 11 2 0
0
0
4
1
0
1
0
0
.333
.375
.333
.708
Lead Off Inning 101 0 22 4
2
1
1
7
0
21
0
0
.218
.269
.327
.596
Scoring Posn, 2 out 29 8 6 1
0
0
9
5
0
3
0
0
.207
.324
.241
.565
Close and Late 39 7 10 3
0
1
7
11
0
4
1
0
.256
.412
.410
.822
Glossary
Groundball - results vs. "groundball pitchers." Groundball pitchers defined as such before the season begins based on the past five year's performance. A groundball/flyball ratio of less than 1.0 classifies one as a groundball pitcher. A ratio of greater than 1.5 classifies one as a flyball pitcher. All others are neutral. Flyball - results vs. flyball pitchers. Average G:F - results vs. a pitcher classifed as neither a groundball or flyball pitcher. Finesse - results vs. "finesse" pitchers. Finesse pitchers defined as such before the season begins based on the past five year's performance. If the pitcher's BB+SO/IP is less than 0.93, he is classified as "finesse." If it's greater than 1.13, he's classified as "power." All others are neutral. Power - results vs. "power" pitchers. Average F:P - results vs. a pitcher classified as neither a finesse or power pitcher. Close And Late - results in the 7th inning or later with the batting team either ahead by one run, tied or with the potential tying run at least on deck.
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Sorry guys, my last post with the ESPN Stats looks terrible. He hits better as RHB than LHB, hits better on the road, turf and day games.
I absolutely love this trade. We now have, for the future, 3 guys who can play SS/2nd. At the end of last year, we had none.
Ray-Ray did not factor into the equation at the end of last year.
Actually that might be the worst formatted post ever !!!!!
But your other point: "We haven't discussed this trade could be the start or another trade. The Reds take a few days to get to know and rate Jimemez with their other MIs. Then they can package one of their MIs with other players for a starting pitcher. Florida might want one of our MIs if LC is leaving the Marlins in a deal for SP Penny. Who knows Jimemez might be leaving again soon but I doubt it."
I actually heard this same thing from a media member I know.
And who might this media member be?
Don't hold out on us JAX!
This trade kinda perked up my day, and the implosion on the field did nothing to diminish my good feeling.
And I hope this is the start of some kind of front office movement, be it bringing in guys that can help now, or soembody that can help in the near future while trimming some of the fat.
I , for one would fine and dandy with retooling and tweaking for next year or the year after. I'm glad they at least threw me a bone today.
I liked the Jiminez idea a lot more before the skeletons started popping out of the proverbial closet
DJ sounds like a remix of Jose Guillen and Felipe Lopez. Highly touted but lacking the "it" that makes 'em stick as ML regulars. Now, maybe DJ and FL will take the "long road" like Guillen and turn their careers back around...who knows? But this practice of acquiring talented players with questionable characters feels eerily familiar...it reminds me of a local roundball team that tried it and found out that the bad boys don't necessarily produce good results
(If DJ has to sit around like WMP, will that improve his work ethic? I'm thinking he'll be sulky)
M2...keep sellin' that "Larkin is gonzo" take. Certainly no one else is whispering that Barry has wanderlust or that anyone else is interested in acquiring him...if a deal comes to pass you'll have beaucoup kudos to go along with your achey-breaky heart
I've never seen him play but I just looked at some pictures of him and Klesko wasn't lying.
There's absolutely no desire in those dull eyes. Go ahead and look for yourself.
I think JimBo just got "tooken", as my son likes to say.
Let me guess: you're a scout for the Reds.Quote:
Originally posted by malcontent
I've never seen him play but I just looked at some pictures of him and Klesko wasn't lying.
There's absolutely no desire in those dull eyes. Go ahead and look for yourself.
I think JimBo just got "tooken", as my son likes to say.