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Donations are surprisingly up at Penn State.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/...school-history
Not really a surprise as Penn State has been on a 24/7 cycle since the awful news broke about the Sandusky scandal. People come to the defense of their university by opening up there wallets to try and make a difference. Plus there might be some guilt tied into those donations as well.
Not just that, for a long time there, the PSU alumni were all CERTAIN that Joe had no knowledge of what was going on.
Penn State report to be released Thursday. I fully expect Paterno to be thrown under the bus and then the bus to be backed up over him several times. Paterno is dead, Penn State will offer his legend up in sacrifice.
Or maybe, you know, he just was a really bad guy.
Dead men don't talk so I am sure we will never know, which is what makes him the perfect scapegoat.
I'm not sure scapegoat is the right term. Just based on what has come out so far the other three guys are probably going to jail. Paterno could and probably will come out looking much worse than he already does, but if that is based on a 3rd party investigation I'm not sure how that scapegoats him.
Lets remember the investigation is being paid for by the Board of Trustees. The same Board of Trustees who fired Paterno without even questioning him about his involvement in this matter. The same board who most likely leaked the emails. Look I have no doubt that Paterno has to shoulder some blame here but ultimately what I am saying is what better way for PSU to get out from under this weight than to blame Paterno and his henchmen for all that went wrong.
Short of turning up a memo, written in his (Paterno's) handwriting on personalized letterhead and stamped by a notary public, saying, "Hey, Graham and Tim, I'm OK with Jerry raping little boys as long as it doesn't make the press," the Freeh report will likely leave a lot of Penn State minds unchanged.
Hell, that probably isn't enough because it wouldn't have specified which Graham, Tim, and Jerry. Those are just first names ya know.
The rest of us, however know better.
Sea Ray spot on with another one.
http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...led-facts?lite
Paterno was clearly more interested in preserving his legacy than helping children. And that's disturbing, to say the least.
Didn't we know this all along, though? The three administrators and Paterno knew and covered it up because of potential (and actual) bad publicity.
Yes, we knew this all along, those who don't want to see things badly enough find ways to keep themselves in the dark.
It gets back to evidence Dom. If new facts come to the table that show that Paterno knew that this guy was a pedophile then I'll agree with you that he deserves whatever gets thrown at him, but unlike you I need those facts and we sure didn't have them last fall
From the bits and pieces I've read in the Freeh report it's really really bad. I can't begin to imagine how many Clery Act violations the school will face, and what the possible punishments from that will be.
Like looking the other way wasn't bad enough, they even covered it up. Disgusting.
Yeah, those thinking it will all wind up falling on the shoulders of Paterno as a "scapegoat" are way off, IMO. That implies others won't carry their fair share of the responsibility. This will forever paint JoePa and a really bad guy, but that will not have any impact on the others who knew and covered up. There's more than enough scorn to go around to think because JoePa gets painted a certain way, then others somehow will be let off the hook. This report is going to be VERY bad for a lot of people.
Potential NCAA violation? PermabanQuote:
Spanier never declared Sandusky a “persona non grata” on Penn State campuses, as he did toward a sports agent who, before the 1997 Citrus Bowl, bought $400 worth of clothing for a Penn State football player. Spanier was very aggressive in that case170 and banned the agent from campus. Spanier said the agent “fooled around with the integrity of the university, and I wonʹt stand for that.” 171 The University conducted its own investigation, and provided the results to law enforcement.172 In an email dated May 13, 1998, Spanier said, “The idea is to keep [the sports agent] off campus permanently, to keep him away from current athletes, and to keep him away from current graduates or students whose eligibility has recently expired.”
Potential felonies being committed? Shhhhhhhhhh
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The more I read the worse it gets.
Hmm...looks like CNN report was right. Who ever would've guessed it
Just copy this over and over for the cultists
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"Based on the evidence, the only known, intervening factor between the decision made on February 25, 2001 by Messrs. Spanier, Curley and Schulz to report the incident to the Department of Public Welfare, and then agreeing not to do so on February 27th, was Mr. Paterno’s February 26th conversation with Mr. Curley."
Huh? The report pretty clearly details what Paterno and the three others knew, both in 1998 and in 2001. Their failure to act on that information should bring all three surviving men and Paterno's estate under both criminal and civil scrutiny. Morally, it's pretty open and shut case.
I tend to agree but we didn't have this information in November. I'd like to hear Paterno's take on it but that ain't happenin'. Seems to me that Paterno was in on the decision not to report it and that's a big screw up on his part. He's not going to have to serve the sentences of his superiors though. They haven't even begun to pay for their part in this. This nightmare is just beginning for them
He deserves every bit of scorn that can be levied his way.
So, too, do the rest of them.
Paterno was a horrid little man with no sense of decency or honor, as evidence by his conversations with other Penn State officials and his complicit behavior to cover up Sandusky's crimes.
Obviously, Sandusky is worse, as he committed the crimes. But Paterno is close.
Those that have insisted, in the past, that he's some bastion of integrity, have some serious egg on their faces.
Penn State should also receive the death penalty, IMO. Football coaches covering up crimes this serous with no thought given to anything other than PR?
The NCAA is there to protect the integrity of their fellow institutions. This is the most heinous integrity issue the sports world has perhaps ever seen.
This should be a wake up call for investing so much adoration and power in the hands of a coach. College coaches are often the most powerful individual on a campus (with Joe probably being the biggest example of that in recent memory).
I remember when the story first broke, watching ESPN break down the adoration of Joe and how that may have blinded the people working around him as well as the Joe himself. They were televising the Penn State fans protesting in support of Joe. They then seemlessly transitioned into an show starring Nick Saban that followed him as he coached, helped the community (after the Tuscaloosa hurricane), and then did an interview in his opulent office where he played the all knowing father figure role. It was the height of irony and cognitive dissonance.
Paterno's legacy might look different to a lot of people now, but it doesn't to the students. He's still a hero in their eyes. They would probably start a riot if his statue was torn down. There's a cardboard cutout of that little weasel in every window on that campus.
That kind of blind idolatry is unfathomable to me.
I don't understand why some think the football program alone deserves punishment, seems top to bottom PSU is in the wrong.
The big 10+2 should give them the boot.
The University prioritized maintaining the Joe Paterno legacy -- the "legendary" coach that raised money from boosters and brought home prized recruits to play in front of the sold-out stadiums -- over protecting innocent children, following the law, and doing the right thing.
The Big 10+2 should absolutely give them the boot and the NCAA should absolutely give the football program the death penalty.
As far as I'm concerned, every dime that program has taken in since the initial cover-up happened is blood money -- earned by men who were living a lie and allowing others to be irreparably harmed to protect that lie.
Hasn't Sandusky already been convicted? If so, can't we drop the "alleged"?
Sure. I go where the facts lead me. I gave Paterno the benefit of the doubt and took him at his word. I think he deserved that. Now there's very little doubt left to give him the benefit of. The facts sure seem to point to two troubling things where Paterno's concerned:
1) He knew about the 1998 incident despite his comments to the contrary
2) It seems as though he was in on the decision not to report the McQueary incident
We didn't know these facts in November
I also gave Pete Rose the benefit of the doubt in betting on baseball until he accepted Bart's lifetime ban. At that point I had the evidence I needed to conclude that he bet on baseball
There's no defending Paterno and Penn State. It's quite obvious they knew what was going and had conspired to coverup what was happening. I just can't fathom how anyone can protect someone like Sandusky knowing what he had done and was still doing until the day he was arrested. It just boggles the mind.
Penn State University may have trouble staying afloat not to mention the football program. You know they are going to have pay millions in damages to the victims and come under constant scrutiny for any funds the Feds may issue them. I would assume by all these crimes that they may not qualify for at least some Federal funding.
I am also coming to the conclusion that the football program should be shut down for a period of time. At least one year, probably more. It was because the football program had gotten so big and powerful that all this was allowed to occur. No program,whether it's sports or academics, should be so powerful that it alone rules the University.
I thought I had become to old to be shocked ny anything that happens nowdays. But with all the unfolding of the facts to this case I have been just utterly shocked by how callous the powers in charge of Penn State acted. This has to be the biggest sports related scandal in history. There's not much that could top this.