Re: Cingrani for Cy Young/Rookie of the Year?
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757690
Sending Cingrani down now does nothing to his Free Agent clock. It only effects his arbitration clock. Keeping him up doesn't mean the Reds will have have him under their control for any less years, it just means they will have to pay him more.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the FA clock determined by the amount of service time on the 25 man roster? by limiting his innings on the ML roster, his FA could be delayed. Homer Bailey is an example, although I don't know how the DL plays into this
Re: Cingrani for Cy Young/Rookie of the Year?
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Billy Hamilton's Legs
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the FA clock determined by the amount of service time on the 25 man roster? by limiting his innings on the ML roster, his FA could be delayed. Homer Bailey is an example, although I don't know how the DL plays into this
Yes, this is true.
I will do my best to explain some things, and if I am off on something please correct me. Yet here is my understanding of arbitration and free agency rules....
Super 2 status does not affect his free agency. It just makes him eligible for arbitration a year sooner. Super 2 is variable, but teams normally wait until June to prevent Super 2 status (I won't go into all the rules about Super 2). Super 2 is not as big of a deal for fans since it's all about money. So the only concern there is the team paying a guy a few million more for 1 year.
For free agency, a full year of service time is 172 days on the active 25 man roster, DL, in the military (yes, that is one of the rules), or under suspension. The season is 182 days. In order to prevent a minor leaguer from gaining a year of MLB service, they simply have to fall short of the 172 days. Yet, if a guy is on the 40 man roster they need to spend 20 days in the minors for that to subtract from their MLB service time. I believe Cingrani was on the 40 man and did not spend 20 days in the minors (it was really, really close), so if he stays on the 25 man for the season it will count as 1 year MLB service time. IIRC, he also cannot be shut down in September (when rosters expand) and sent down in order to subtract from his MLB service time. He needs to spend 20 consecutive days in the minors between April and August in order to reduce his MLB service time by 1 year.
As noted, Cingrani was really close but was called up on the 18th. That may have been enough, I am not sure. I obviously think the clock starts on opening day, but there may be some other things about what constitutes 20 days in the minors I am missing.
Anyway, that is my best understanding of the rules. So from what I know, Cingrani is in danger of accruing 1 year MLB service time unless he is sent down for 20 days before September.
Re: Cingrani for Cy Young/Rookie of the Year?
I know the service time deal is an issue and that organizations have to be aware of it...but i also wonder the long term cost in keeping a player from earning something when he has proven he deserves those benefits. It causes ill will and it makes the organization look small and without their employees interests in mind (notice i did not say "best" interests....it's not the organizations job to take care of the employee).
When an organization is perceived to go out of their way to keep a player down in the mirnors longer than he should be- i think that has long term effects that may out way the benefits. For example -a player entering his free agent year decides that even though he loves the city -he remembers the organization sticking it to him and decides their will be no home town discount. He also spreads the word that the organization goes out of the way to stick it to players.
I fully understand the rights of the organization, but a negative perception is a big animal -and it takes years to overcome and you might have to pay more in the long run cause players won't even take a sniff at what you have to offer. Their is a gentleman down the road from the Reds that is still trying to change his stripes - it won't happen in his lifetime and i believe he's paid a high price for his and his families arrogance in the short and long run.
Re: Cingrani for Cy Young/Rookie of the Year?
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Redsfaithful
woy, I know you are good with the data sets, how many rookie pitchers have approached 28/4 k/bb in their first three starts?
I can't imagine there are many names on a list like that who turned out to be terrible.
Off the top of my head Fernando in 1981
Re: Cingrani for Cy Young/Rookie of the Year?
Tony Cingrani will be immortalized on Mount Rushmore.
Re: Cingrani for Cy Young/Rookie of the Year?