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5/29/13 Reds v. Indians - same teams, different ballpark
Reds:
CF: Shin-Soo Choo
SS: Zack Cozart
1B: Joey Votto
2B: Brandon Phillips
RF: Jay Bruce
3B: Todd Frazier
LF: Xavier Paul
C: Ryan Hanigan
DH: Jack Hannahan
SP: Bronson Arroyo
Indians:
CF: Michael Bourn
2B: Jason Kipnis
SS: Asdrubal Cabrera
1B: Nick Swisher
DH: Jason Giambi
C: Carlos Santana
3B: Mark Reynolds
LF: Michael Brantley
RF: Drew Stubbs
SP: Justin Masterson
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Re: 5/29/13 Reds v. Indians - same teams, different ballpark
Is Santana going to stick at catcher? He's pretty poor back there and has maybe cost the indians both games this series with his gaffes.
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Originally Posted by
mdccclxix
Is Santana going to stick at catcher? He's pretty poor back there and has maybe cost the indians both games this series with his gaffes.
I think he will. He's got some good tools back there. I've seen him look outstanding at times. And then flat out foolish at other times. Concentration / focus issue at work maybe?
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The question for Santana comes in the form of his defense. He’s athletic and agile behind the dish, but unrefined. HIs arm is strong but will lack accuracy, though his CS% improved significantly after he was traded from LA to Cleveland. His receiving skills are improving, but there is still work to do, especially on blocking balls in the dirt.
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His arm is very good and he's a good blocker. But his receiving skills are terrible. And pitchers do not like throwing to him. The Indians have acknowledged these weaknesses.
"He has above average skills when it comes to catching and throwing," Ross Atkins, Indians Director of Player Development, told The Cleveland Plain Dealer prior to the 2009 season. "He still needs to refine his receiving skills, his game calling ability and his ability to lead a pitching staff."
A good receiver will catch the ball where it's thrown and hold it there. Poor receivers drop balls and move the ball after they catch it, taking away from the odds of the pitch being called a strike. Elite receivers have soft hands and are smooth and balanced behind the dish. Receiving is basically catching the ball. Guys who don't catch the ball well typically aren't above-average defensive catchers -- basic enough, right?
I believe that just about anyone can learn to call a good game. Some guys have a knack for it and others take time to learn. If I'm a pitcher and I'm having trouble communicating with my catcher, I'm frustrated. He's supposed to make me look good.
So are Santana's current defensive weaknesses going to force him to move off the position? I Doubt it.
But I wouldn't be shocked if he moves back to third base. And he may be a below-average catcher in the bigs. That said, you can't teach someone to throw as well as he does. His arm is definitely above-average. He's pretty coordinated, too. So all-in-all, Santana has a solid chance of becoming an average defensive catcher -- he is still new to the position.
2 scouting reports btw. Reps can only help at this stage IMO.
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Originally Posted by
NebraskaRed
DH: Jack Hannahan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDGlN6mluGA
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If they are going to dh Hannahan, I think they should have at least DH'd Choo and put Robinson in CF.
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How does it make sense to DH Hannahan when he is a better fielder than Frazier?
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Originally Posted by
Tom Servo
Nay. I figured Dusty had the need, the need for speed. Robinson Speed.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CUpwLhZh66A
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Wow, you have a DH spot available, and Choo is in CF.
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Originally Posted by
dsmith421
How does it make sense to DH Hannahan when he is a better fielder than Frazier?
I guess because Frazier had a day off yesterday, and Frasier is not a butcher, Dusty is just giving Todd a little bit of respect.
Same for not DHing Choo.
Dusty is big on having confidence in his players. It kind of sends the wrong message to DH a guy to slightly optimize the defense (in Dusty's mind).
Not saying this is the right way or wrong way, but I'm guessing that's the reasoning.
Plus, you got to figure that Frazier and Choo are going to be playing the field in the playoffs. Might as well give them all the reps possible.
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This is to give Hannahan some at bats, particularly against his former team in his former ballpark.
Dusty said last night that he wanted to give Hannahan two games in a row to give him some playing time.
If he had an obvious DH choice, he would have used him. He doesn't so Dusty is using the opportunity to use Hannahan, a good backup player who hasn't had much time this year.
I agree with Redread on why Frazier is playing third and Hannahan DH, rather than switching them.
The much more interesting question is who Dusty uses tomorrow against a lefty, since his only righty bats on the bench will be Izturis (switch hitter) and Mesoraco (backup catcher).
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This has seemingly been Dusty's MO when playing w/ the DH. He typically uses his regulars where they would typically play, rather than sliding a regular to the DH role and allowing a better defender to man that guys position.
My guess in his thinking is that his decision has little to do with "hurting a guys feelings" that he might put a better defender in at that spot for a game, this are not little kids, I think they can handle it for a game here and there, but rather that baseball is a repetative game and I've heard more than 1 regular complain about hard it is to DH, sitting on the bench for an inning or 2 at a time, getting 1 at bat, then sitting back on the bench for another inning or 2. Dusty likes to have his guys play their usual role, have them in their comfort zone, for better or worse.
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Originally Posted by
TOBTTReds
Wow, you have a DH spot available, and Choo is in CF.
I think Choo has looked better in CF lately -- not Eric Davis better though --- and he should know the outfield there as well as anyone on the team
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I saw all of the comments and thought the game must have started early.
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The quest to secure the Ohio Cup begins tonight! I have $10 riding on this series with my Indians fan roommate.
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With all those tough lefties this lineup is quite the challenge for Bronson. Out of all 4 games with Cleveland this the pitching matchup I like least.
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This place will erupt IF Choo has an error...lol
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Joey apparently not impressed with Masterson's scoreless streak. :beerme:
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that guy named votto is pretty good
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Big cheer in Cleveland for Votto's HR
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Votto hitting .450 on the road this year. :laugh:
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Votto matched his number of home runs for May (10) that he hit in his MVP year.
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Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):
Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Brandon Phillips - 150
16. Lee May - 147
17. Joey Votto - 143
18. Jay Bruce - 141
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101
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Originally Posted by
Big Klu
Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):
Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Ted Kluszewski - 251
6. George Foster - 244
7. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
8. Eric Davis - 203
9. Barry Larkin - 198
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Brandon Phillips - 150
16. Lee May - 147
17. Joey Votto - 143
18. Jay Bruce - 141
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Dave Parker - 107
25. Chris Sabo - 104
26. Dave Concepcion - 101
every time I see this I think, wow that Bench number is just insurmountable
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Re: 5/29/13 Reds v. Indians - same teams, different ballpark
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Originally Posted by
dsmith421
How does it make sense to DH Hannahan when he is a better fielder than Frazier?
It doesn't, of course. What can you say? Baker.
Speaking of which, if he were in the AL it would probably just be: DH bats 9th.
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Using Hannahan as the DH is the most Dusty thing, ever.
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Runnin the count to Choo and 2....actually 3-1!!!
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Choo takes a walk to continue the inning.
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Indians fans are dirty. I wouldn't have dove into the crowd either if I were Xman
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Originally Posted by
coachpipe
Indians fans are dirty. I wouldn't have dove into the crowd either if I were Xman
It's mostly just Cleveland in general.
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Leake should be offended he's not the DH tonight.
Really, it should be Lutz. Or Mesoraco. But this is Dusty Baker, y'alls!
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Originally Posted by
Blitz Dorsey
Leake should be offended he's not the DH tonight.
Really, it should be Lutz. Or Mesoraco. But this is Dusty Baker, y'alls!
I imagine we should be thankful it's not Izturis.
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Originally Posted by
Blitz Dorsey
Leake should be offended he's not the DH tonight.
Really, it should be Lutz. Or Mesoraco. But this is Dusty Baker, y'alls!
If they DH Mes and then have to use him to catch doesn't that kill the DH and the pitcher would have to bat.
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Hanrahan has done alright lately...hardly the worst move Dusty ever made... c'mon...a bit of slack...save it for something really arguable
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From mlb.com's Scout tool on their Gameday app:
"Dangerous count for Justin Masterson; Joey Votto is a dead-red fastball hitter, with a 1.090 OPS against them this season and 1.034 against everything else."
ONLY 1.034.
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Originally Posted by
Hollcat
If they DH Mes and then have to use him to catch doesn't that kill the DH and the pitcher would have to bat.
How often does the catcher get hurt though?
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Originally Posted by
sigep529
From mlb.com's Scout tool on their Gameday app:
"Dangerous count for Justin Masterson; Joey Votto is a dead-red fastball hitter, with a 1.090 OPS against them this season and 1.034 against everything else."
ONLY 1.034.
Haha! I know. What a useless stat. What a HUGE difference there in OPS. Hilarious.
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If the DH takes a fielding position you lose the DH
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Originally Posted by
RedlegJake
If the DH takes a fielding position you lose the DH
I hear you. I edited my post.