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A fastball that doesn't fool anybody and a great curve that he can't locate consistently. He fooled a lot of people the first few years in the league and can still be quite effective when he has his curve working. However, the Giants gave him ace money to be a decent #2/3 starter for the next 7 years.
Barry Zito is Ted Lilly with a better home ball park and easier division the last 3 years. Not a bad pitcher at all, but not the guy I'd build my staff around through 2015.
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The Snakes have went with almost all young guys and the start they are off to a flying start. The Reds missed what may be their two best young players in Quentin and Young.
Owings is pretty damn good too -- was their top-rated pitching prospect last season, I believe. He can swing the bat a bit too; he'd be a better pinch-hitting option than both Moeller and Castro if he played for the Reds.
And, I'm not just saying this as a Tulane grad.
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No wonder Aurilla went back to SF. He wanted to be young again. ;)
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Gil Meche is missing a LOT more bats than Barry Zito. And at a lesser cost. Perhaps that contract will end up looking less silly for KC as the season and years unfold...
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And he doesn't break 90 with his "heater."
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A fastball that doesn't fool anybody and a great curve that he can't locate consistently. He fooled a lot of people the first few years in the league and can still be quite effective when he has his curve working. However, the Giants gave him ace money to be a decent #2/3 starter for the next 7 years.
Barry Zito is Ted Lilly with a better home ball park and easier division the last 3 years. Not a bad pitcher at all, but not the guy I'd build my staff around through 2015.
Which is exactly why I have no problem with WK and the other owner in this town not overpaying for someone in FA. Everyone knows pitchers are expensive no matter how good or bad they are.
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But in Zito's first start, he got just six swings and misses in 86 pitches. In his second start, it was only seven swings and misses in 100 pitches.
I don't see the relevance on this. . .I mean I do, but it's not that big of a deal. I'd like to see Greg Maddux's numbers. I'm sure they're better but the guy pitches to contact. Big deal if there were 6 swings and misses. Zito is good, but not 125 million bones good. But the swing and misses has absolutely no bearing on whether I think the guy is good or not.
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Greg Maddux in the day, in his prime, could get guys to swing and miss whenever he wanted to. Period. Missing bats is a VERY relevant part of the discussion about how good a pitcher someone is...
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Greg Maddux in the day, in his prime, could get guys to swing and miss whenever he wanted to. Period. Missing bats is a VERY relevant part of the discussion about how good a pitcher someone is...
Maddux has averaged .687 K's per inning for his career.
Zito has average .764 K's per inning in his career.
Maddux gave up an average of more hits/inning over his career than Zito, although Zito averages more HR's/game than Maddux over his career. . . . so you can look at the #'s any which way you want.
Although those numbers don't seem like a big difference, they really are.
Do I think Zito deserved his contract? Hell no, but he's still a damn good pitcher. He's struggled just about every April in his career and then went on to dominate the rest of the year. Someone even posted these numbers on here. I don't understand why so many people seem to dislike this guy on here.
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Remembering back to the years I had Zito on my fantasy teams, I remember him always getting off to slow starts. I think that contract was pretty ridiculous and he is nowhere near worth that money, but I'd bet that Zito ends up having a decent year.
Please note I said "decent," not a season worthy of that crazy contract he got.
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Take away Zito's 2002 year and hes nothing more than ordinary. I think he may be a left handed Arroyo. Puts up innings and will have a decent ERA and win anywhere from 12-18 games. It was crazy for anyone to sign him to that amount of money. Dont get me wrong I would love Zito on my team, but not for that insane amount of money.
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I'm on record as being on the side that wouldn't have signed Zito during the off-season (especially for what the Giants had to shell out).
However, here's a counter argument by a very smart guy just to balance things out and because, well it's interesting and useful.
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I'd give you rep, but unfortunately I can't right now. :)
But that's a great find. I love articles like that.
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DTCromer
I'd give you rep, but unfortunately I can't right now. :)
But that's a great find. I love articles like that.
Apparently you're a Cubs or Cards fan.... :D
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Apparently you're a Cubs or Cards fan.... :D
Even worse: I'm a Reds fan. :beerme: