Re: 2011 U.S. Open @ Congressional
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MWM
Redhook, the one thing I disagree with is that I do think he'll win double digit majors. I think the floodgates are wide open. It's sick to think about him in the last 4 majors. He could have won last year's British, darn near landed in the playoff at the PGA. Was 9 holes away from the Masters and now dominated the US Open. He just turned 22. I think he'll be one of the all time greats. He's THAT good.
I agree the floodgates are open and he'll be one of the greats. He certainly has the talent to win 10+ majors and I hope he does it. I think he can, but I doubt he will. I'm simply basing this off the odds. Only 3 men in the history of golf have won 10+ majors. Ben Hogan, Bobby Jones, Tom Watson, and Gary Player didn't reach 10 majors. It's so difficult to win them. So many things can happen to derail a guy from getting there.
Re: 2011 U.S. Open @ Congressional
What in the world happened to the American Golfer? The guy to finish the best was a no name qualifier. For all the talk about the young guns, its been the young European guns who are destroying the competition.
Rory ran away with the tournament. But some of the scores below him were pretty damn impressive. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place scores would win most opens yet they lost by 10+ strokes.
You think the USGA is going to have a chip on their shoulder next year? I think the winner is lucky to break par next year.
Re: 2011 U.S. Open @ Congressional
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bucksfan2
What in the world happened to the American Golfer? The guy to finish the best was a no name qualifier.
With a Tiger Woods USA Kids Golf putter.
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ratings, schmatings..... who cares!!!!
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MWM
ratings, schmatings..... who cares!!!!
NBC, the USGA, the advertisers.
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Chip R
NBC, the USGA, the advertisers.
But unless the ratings decline to the point where golf isn't televised anymore... not our problem. :cool:
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IslandRed
But unless the ratings decline to the point where golf isn't televised anymore... not our problem. :cool:
Not our problem necessarily but as golf went through a boom era with Tiger at the top of his game, when he's gone, there's a huge difference. If ratings decline, advertisers pay less for commercials and networks pay less to the PGA for TV rights and the purses decrease. If purses decline, guys like McIlroy may decide to stay over in Europe instead of playing on the U.S. tour.
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I always hear arguments about ratings, advertisers, networks, etc.... and none of that means anything to me. Golf has been around a long time and will continue to be even if ratings aren't as high as they once were. It doesn't add or detract from my enjoyment of the sport in the least. The difference is on the fringes and it just doesn't mean anything. Nothing is different as a fan of the sport with higher or lower ratings.
Re: 2011 U.S. Open @ Congressional
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MWM
I always hear arguments about ratings, advertisers, networks, etc.... and none of that means anything to me. Golf has been around a long time and will continue to be even if ratings aren't as high as they once were. It doesn't add or detract from my enjoyment of the sport in the least. The difference is on the fringes and it just doesn't mean anything. Nothing is different as a fan of the sport with higher or lower ratings.
Back in the day when NBA ratings stunk, they had the NBA playoffs on tape delay at 11:30 PM instead of live. Which bit the big one.
So if ratings get bad enough, they can affect the TV fan experience.
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The legacy of the Tiger era (can't believe I'm talking about it as past tense) is that he brought a lot of people into the game as participants, as well as fans. I don't think anyone other than Arnold Palmer in the '60's did more for golf than Tiger in that regard.
The King is dead, long live the King.
Tiger now reminds me of Ali, a flawed hero (in the public eye) who now plays the role of David vs. Goliath, the exact opposite of what we have come to know. He went from the "Chosen One" to Rocky, in one fell swoop of public humiliation and physical injury.
Superman needs his Kryptonite in order to be relevant.
He's infinitely more interesting to me now than he was before. I miss seeing him play at the peak of his legendary physical prowess, but I can't wait to see if he can re-invent himself yet again and make it back to the top.
Re: 2011 U.S. Open @ Congressional
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MWM
Redhook, the one thing I disagree with is that I do think he'll win double digit majors. I think the floodgates are wide open. It's sick to think about him in the last 4 majors. He could have won last year's British, darn near landed in the playoff at the PGA. Was 9 holes away from the Masters and now dominated the US Open. He just turned 22. I think he'll be one of the all time greats. He's THAT good.
I'm curious, what do you and Homer Bailey think about Rory after the last two majors? Do you still think double-digits and passing Jack. My opinion remains the same. He'll be #1 in the near future, next year, and will win about 6 majors.
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Redhook
I'm curious, what do you and Homer Bailey think about Rory after the last two majors? Do you still think double-digits and passing Jack. My opinion remains the same. He'll be #1 in the near future, next year, and will win about 6 majors.
For the record, I didn't say that I think he'll pass Jack. I said that he has a better chance of doing it than Tiger Woods does.
That being said, I may have gotten a little too excited back in June with the statements I made. I do think he will be the number 1 player in the world for a while, and I don't put too much stock into the last two majors. I think he got pretty unlucky with the weather at the British (on either Friday or Saturday, I can't remember), and obviously the wrist was an issue at the PGA.
That being said, I think the talent pool is wayyyyy deeper in this day and age than when Tiger was winning majors left and right, and I think it will be very difficult for Rory to replicate what Tiger did. The reason I was/am so confident in Rory is not just his win at Congressional, but the fact that he competed significantly for the win in the previous three majors as well. That kind of consistency is bound to lead to more major wins.
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Homer Bailey
For the record, I didn't say that I think he'll pass Jack. I said that he has a better chance of doing it than Tiger Woods does.
That being said, I may have gotten a little too excited back in June with the statements I made. I do think he will be the number 1 player in the world for a while, and I don't put too much stock into the last two majors. I think he got pretty unlucky with the weather at the British (on either Friday or Saturday, I can't remember), and obviously the wrist was an issue at the PGA.
That being said, I think the talent pool is wayyyyy deeper in this day and age than when Tiger was winning majors left and right, and I think it will be very difficult for Rory to replicate what Tiger did. The reason I was/am so confident in Rory is not just his win at Congressional, but the fact that he competed significantly for the win in the previous three majors as well. That kind of consistency is bound to lead to more major wins.
I tend to disagree that the talent pool is wayyyyy deeper now than when Tiger won all his majors. I think it is deeper but not by all that much. I think it speaks to more how good Tiger was. I do think there is more of an European influence on the PGA tour now but those guys were playing in the majors. I don't think the young players fear him as much as people did 5 years ago. I also think the added length for all the tour players is really closing Tiger's gap. He used to hit that Titleist 975D out there 30+ yards further than his opponent. Now with technology all tour players have extra length.
As for Rory I think he can have a Phil type career. He can be a very good golfer who if he doesn't let his head get in his way could win double digit majors. I think Rory already has two major meltdowns in tournaments that he should have won. He went Tiger in this past US Open blowing the field away. I think once anyone wins the first major it makes the next ones much easier.
I don't think anyone catches Jack because there are just too many good players in the game today. But I do think Rory has 10 win potential because of age, game, and a picture perfect putting stroke.