Re: Wayne Krivsky's "Plan"
Good post Red Leader. If I can summarize your take on WK's plan:
(not in any order of importance)
1.) Don't block prospects with inferior major leaguers signed long term.
2.) Keep the team as competitive as possible in the short term with low risk veterans filling out the roster.
3.) Continue to improve the overall talent level of the minor league system.
To me, that still leaves a number of questions:
- Is there a next phase which includes significant FA signings?
- At what point do we transition to that phase?
- Does Jr. slide over to RF?
- Where are Arroyo, Harang, and Dunn in 2009?
- Will the payroll expand as the talent level at the major league level expands?
I get the feeling that WK can keep us above 70 wins while he restocks the minor leagues. My concern is that he may not be bold enough to convert that prospect core in to a 90+ game winner. His ability to supplement the existing roster with the correct pieces still concerns me.
Re: Wayne Krivsky's "Plan"
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Originally Posted by
RedsManRick
Good post Red Leader. If I can summarize your take on WK's plan:
(not in any order of importance)
1.) Don't block prospects with inferior major leaguers signed long term.
2.) Keep the team as competitive as possible in the short term with low risk veterans filling out the roster.
3.) Continue to improve the overall talent level of the minor league system.
To me, that still leaves a number of questions:
- Is there a next phase which includes significant FA signings?
- At what point do we transition to that phase?
- Does Jr. slide over to RF?
- Where are Arroyo, Harang, and Dunn in 2009?
- Will the payroll expand as the talent level at the major league level expands?
I get the feeling that WK can keep us above 70 wins while he restocks the minor leagues. My concern is that he may not be bold enough to convert that prospect core in to a 90+ game winner. His ability to supplement the existing roster with the correct pieces still concerns me.
Another question: does he plan on getting far more aggressive in acquiring high-end minor league talent? How?
Re: Wayne Krivsky's "Plan"
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To me, that still leaves a number of questions:
- Is there a next phase which includes significant FA signings?
- At what point do we transition to that phase?
- Does Jr. slide over to RF?
- Where are Arroyo, Harang, and Dunn in 2009?
- Will the payroll expand as the talent level at the major league level expands?
- Nope, seriously why should we have an ounce of faith in this phase ever coming to fruition? We were misled this offseason and it will continue.
- Never will happen
- Nope, we all know Narron will not move him.
- Arroyo is a BoSock, Harang gets a 3-year extension, Dunn is a FA and signs with Houston. Bruce fills in at RF and Freel moves over to LF.
- This is the biggest question of all. Will Castelinni go with the current flow or will he sell out?
Re: Wayne Krivsky's "Plan"
I had this same thought process a little while back.
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53039
Re: Wayne Krivsky's "Plan"
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Originally Posted by
RedsManRick
To me, that still leaves a number of questions:
- Is there a next phase which includes significant FA signings?
- At what point do we transition to that phase?
- Does Jr. slide over to RF?
- Where are Arroyo, Harang, and Dunn in 2009?
- Will the payroll expand as the talent level at the major league level expands?
I get the feeling that WK can keep us above 70 wins while he restocks the minor leagues. My concern is that he may not be bold enough to convert that prospect core in to a 90+ game winner. His ability to supplement the existing roster with the correct pieces still concerns me.
I don't know the answer to those questions. We're going to have to wait to find out. I would hope that Griffey moving to RF would be the first answer we see. As far as the significant F.A. signings, not sure that will ever happen, and I think Krivsky know that, to some extent. That's probably why he decided to go this route--there is no "quick fix." As far as Arroyo, Harang, and Dunn, I think that depends on the continued developement of our current prospects. If Bailey takes the 5th spot in this year's rotation and performs well, maybe we'll see Harang or Arroyo traded for a core of good prospects which would further bolster the farm system. If Bruce continues to tear up the minor leagues, maybe we'll see a trade of Adam Dunn for a good package of players. Personally, if it was me, I'd look to sign Harang long term and then trade Arroyo and Dunn down the road. Trading those two could bring us a good haul of talent. Krivsky identifying good prospects to get in return scares me somewhat, though. He's got to win me over on a "larger scale" trade before I'll truly believe he can do it. Last year's "Exhibit A" was a nightmare.
Re: Wayne Krivsky's "Plan"
I fell thru the floorboard of the Wayne Wagon when Juan came back
Re: Wayne Krivsky's "Plan"
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- Does Jr. slide over to RF?
That's going to tell me everything I need to know. If Junior is taking a goodly share of his spring training innings in center....
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I fell thru the floorboard of the Wayne Wagon when Juan came back
I can squint crosseyed at his moves and say..."well, Ok, it's not what I would have done, but it's a direction" till I get to the Conine move. That's just wacked. Giving warm bodies up for waiver bait is moving backwords.
Re: Wayne Krivsky's "Plan"
I've never been on the Wayne bandwagon - was one of the few who didn't want him hired to begin with. And he's done nothing to make me change my mind. Arroyo and phillips notwithstanding.
If his plan is as you say and if it works I will eat my crow with some hot sauce, but i've said from the beginning the Twins model only works if you have a Johan Santana at the front end (before that they won because they were in a putrid division and were never a threat in the playoffs - just a tuneup for whoever was lucky enough to face them in round one) and a joe nathan at the back end.
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I'm still drinking the KoolAide...I like SPECIAL K but I do question some of the moves, THE TRADE not being one of them.
Re: Wayne Krivsky's "Plan"
I'd like to think Wayne's goal is to put together a younger, more dynamic team. Yet to do that the Reds need a lot more young talent than what they've got on hand. If the Reds had spent this offseason bringing in young players rather than geezers, I'd be able to buy into the notion that a sensible rebuild is underway.
Unfortunately, I don't see the new twentysomethings who'd justify that sort of outlook.
Re: Wayne Krivsky's "Plan"
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Puffy
but i've said from the beginning the Twins model only works if you have a Johan Santana at the front end (before that they won because they were in a putrid division and were never a threat in the playoffs - just a tuneup for whoever was lucky enough to face them in round one) and a joe nathan at the back end.
When people talk of the Twins and A's style of ball....as you said , they have had the pitching. Just think of some of the guys the A's have run out there over the last few years.....hudson..zito..mulder...lilly..harden..ha ran..blanton etc.
Maybe not all #1's yet each one gave you a legitimate chance to win.The reds definitely arent there this year but who knows about the wood's and cueto's of the world.
The bullpen situation is the one that really bothers me about this current team. Last season we needed a closer so bad we went out and got one but now we are relying on a guy who we didnt have enough confidence in "last year" as a closer. So it appears the problem is still there.
Maybe WK is banking on a youngster or two excelling in ST.
One more point on the pitching aspect:
I think the reds would be dangerous in a short series with Harang and BA.
It's getting enough wins from the 3-5 that will tell the tale.
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M2
I'd like to think Wayne's goal is to put together a younger, more dynamic team. Yet to do that the Reds need a lot more young talent than what they've got on hand. If the Reds had spent this offseason bringing in young players rather than geezers, I'd be able to buy into the notion that a sensible rebuild is underway.
Unfortunately, I don't see the new twentysomethings who'd justify that sort of outlook.
I think Reds Leader makes an interesting point that by collecting FA's like mad gives us two things. Short term use on the playing field (the quality of that play can be debated) along with draft picks for the long term.
It's the middle ground between burn it down and spend aditional $80,000,000 on payroll.
How much we can get in trade for the Mike Stanton's of the team is debatable. We could probably get a prospect for him assuming he's not injured. The quality of that prospect is also debatable.
Re: Wayne Krivsky's "Plan"
I have a mole in the Reds office, here was a plan on Wayne's white board last summer:
Step 1. Collect Underpants
Step 2. ????????
Step 3. World Series.......and then total world domination