Lose steam in the second half? This team currently has zero steam.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishDavidKY
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Lose steam in the second half? This team currently has zero steam.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishDavidKY
Arroyo will net the most in trade for that reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyred14
I'm originally from Ohio, but graduated from High School in Farmington, NM where the Connie Mack World Series is held every year. I have seen plenty of the Midland Redskins teams (yes even the one that had Ken Griffey Jr.) I say amen to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by westofyou
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Originally Posted by dabvu2498
Count me out of this statement. Baseball is irreplaceable, no matter what the Reds record is. Which, by the way is a game over .500 at the break in case the majority here didn't notice.
And what was it at the break in 2004???Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommyjohn25
I know that it has been hard to watch this team lately but this team is only a game and a half out of the wildcard. Baseball is a funny game and anything can happen. The reds have been an up and down team this year. All it would take is one good week to put the reds back in front of the wildcard and possibly the division.
But it's going to take 3 good months to actually win either of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by James B.
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Originally Posted by dabvu2498
47-41. Doesn't matter, first of all that wasn't my point. My main point is there will never be a day when I will be using baseball as a stopgap for football, as you said "everyone" here is. Though I think you said it kind of tongue in cheek. If you want to talk about the record in 2004, well...this isn't 2004, this is a different team with a different front office in a MUCH weaker division. It just seems that this board is acting as if they're 20 games out, if everyone is so sure that they aren't going to succeed, don't watch. Just go get in line way in advance for Bengals tickets.
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love.Quote:
My main point is there will never be a day when I will be using baseball as a stopgap for football
- Bryant Gumbel
Great quote. I just wish the author were different.Quote:
Originally Posted by westofyou
Fellas, we are not out of this by any means, we are still in the hunt for the playoffs, unlike the AL the NL has only 1 team out in front and lucky for us there not in our division(NYM). We have to play within our boundaries, and by that I mean what is our long-term vision. I think that is what's going to put us on top for years to come. The playoffs are great this year, but I want them every year, and if we have to give up guys like BAiley and Votto then I say no to any major deals. Now on the other hand what if these came along:
1)Chicago White Sox- trade Brian Anderson(CF) and Sean Tracey(SP) for Ken Griffey.
2)San Francisco-trade Kevin Correja(RP) for Scott Hatteberg
3)Chicago Cubs-trade Ronny Cedeno(SS) Will Ohman(RP) and Michael Wuertz(RP) for Felipe Lopez
we simply must look at all avenues, if it helps us build for next year.
1) Even though Anderson can't hit at all, if you don't have to pay for Junior's salary I would do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by schroomytunes
2) I don't know about Correja so I can't coment.
3) Cedeno has a terrible OBP and OPS, and isn't a great fielder. We have William Bergolla in AAA and they are similar players. IMO you could get more for FeLo.
Yes Arroyo is definitely a keeper. He may not be a #1, but he's exactly what the Reds need -- a guy locked into an affordable contract that gives innings and quality starts. I really doubt Arroyo's value has skyrocketed that much since the Reds got him.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoganBuck
IMO, it's crazy to have a firesale now. We have two good starting pitchers and a good offense. We need help on defense and bullpen, but that can be fixed in the offseason.
Since our farm is bare, it makes more sense to try to win now. If the farm system was loaded with talent (like the Marlins was), it's easier to swallow dumping the ML team because you can bring up talented replacements. Let's keep the core intact and hope Wayne can build the farm through the draft over the next 3-4 years. We may not make the playoffs in the Dunn-Arroyo-Harang era, but at least the team will be interesting to watch, and will sell tickets. The worst thing Cast could do now is to order a firesale. Remember, he's trying to win the fans back. If he orders Dunn, Arroyo, Lopez, and Harang traded for prospects (no matter how good those prospects are) he's going to lose a lot of goodwill and faith from the fans.
So, if you told everyone in spring training that this team would be one game over .500 and within five games of the Cards for the NL Central and 1.5 games behind the wildcard spot, that we should be selling at the trading deadline?
When are we going to get out of this losing mentality and start looking at the glass as half full?
It would be great to sneak ionto the playoffs this year with a weak NL, but let's not fool ourselves here - come the playoffs, this team will not win a WS title. If they get there, great - but don't give up anything of value to slap a fresh coat of paint on Reds '06. There's a lot of structural work that needs to be done before this team becomes an every-year contender.
This season has been great so far - enjoy it, but accept it for what it is. What it ain't is a championship-caliber team.