Re: From Rookie of the Year to Nothing Special
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Originally Posted by
savafan
You kinda have to give him a pass for that.
Ken Hubbs gets a bigger pass...
Re: From Rookie of the Year to Nothing Special
Re: From Rookie of the Year to Nothing Special
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Originally Posted by
bucksfan2
Chris Sabo
I don't know how either Karros or Sabo qualifies for this list. Both solid starters after their rookie seasons IIRC.
Re: From Rookie of the Year to Nothing Special
Regression to the mean is a cruel mistress...
Re: From Rookie of the Year to Nothing Special
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Originally Posted by
Mario-Rijo
I don't know how either Karros or Sabo qualifies for this list. Both solid starters after their rookie seasons IIRC.
Yea but they really were nothing special. Sabo did have two pretty good seasons but fizzled away after a handful of years.
Karros on the other hand did turn out a pretty good career. I guess I had always thought that he would have become a better player. Thought he would be a perennial All Star and it looks like he ever made it.
Re: From Rookie of the Year to Nothing Special
Dontrelle Willis came out scorching until it seemed like the league figured him and his quirky delivery out the last few years. That's the best I can think of
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Sabo came up late and his rookie tear was his best, but 3300 MLB ab's and 114 HR's and 900 hits is pretty tidy career, put it this way he's getting the big pension.
And if anyone really wants to scratch what Reds players have juiced he's one of the guys I'd have to look at, based on his game, his quirky behavior and the time he played.
Re: From Rookie of the Year to Nothing Special
Re: From Rookie of the Year to Nothing Special
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Originally Posted by
westofyou
Sabo came up late and his rookie tear was his best, but 3300 MLB ab's and 114 HR's and 900 hits is pretty tidy career, put it this way he's getting the big pension.
And if anyone really wants to scratch what Reds players have juiced he's one of the guys I'd have to look at, based on his game, his quirky behavior and the time he played.
Look at the 1988 seasons of Sabo and Mark Grace. Really, stolen bases is the only stat where Sabo seems to stand out.
Re: From Rookie of the Year to Nothing Special
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Originally Posted by
westofyou
Sabo came up late and his rookie tear was his best, but 3300 MLB ab's and 114 HR's and 900 hits is pretty tidy career, put it this way he's getting the big pension.
And if anyone really wants to scratch what Reds players have juiced he's one of the guys I'd have to look at, based on his game, his quirky behavior and the time he played.
Plus Sabo hit .563 with 2 HR's and 5 RBI in the 90' WS.
I'd say thats pretty special!!
Re: From Rookie of the Year to Nothing Special
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Originally Posted by
savafan
Look at the 1988 seasons of Sabo and Mark Grace. Really, stolen bases is the only stat where Sabo seems to stand out.
Which in that era was a big thing (46 SB 4th in the league) One thing to note is that Sabo came out of nowhere and stole teh job from Bell and Pete LOVED him, pumped him up and sent all kinds of press towards him, and we all know who votes on ROY.
Re: From Rookie of the Year to Nothing Special
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westofyou
Which in that era was a big thing (46 SB 4th in the league) One thing to note is that Sabo came out of nowhere and stole teh job from Bell and Pete LOVED him, pumped him up and sent all kinds of press towards him, and we all know who votes on ROY.
I'm still bitter about "Fast Eddie", a local baseball card con artist in the town I grew up in, selling me a 1989 Topps Sabo rookie card for $5 when I was 11 years old... That's my reason for my displeasure. :)
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savafan
I'm still bitter about "Fast Eddie", a local baseball card con artist in the town I grew up in, selling me a 1989 Topps Sabo rookie card for $5 when I was 11 years old... That's my reason for my displeasure. :)
Well, let that be a reminder never to buy cards from a guy with "Fast" as his nickname.
Remember the '89 Topps Gregg Jeffries card? It was the Holy Grail of collecting for a few months.
Re: From Rookie of the Year to Nothing Special
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savafan
I'm still bitter about "Fast Eddie", a local baseball card con artist in the town I grew up in, selling me a 1989 Topps Sabo rookie card for $5 when I was 11 years old... That's my reason for my displeasure. :)
Its selling on ebay for $1.01 + $2 shipping. I think having historical documentation of the rec specs is worth the price.
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Originally Posted by
Eric_the_Red
Well, let that be a reminder never to buy cards from a guy with "Fast" as his nickname.
Remember the '89 Topps Gregg Jeffries card? It was the Holy Grail of collecting for a few months.
Ah yes, the Future Star card.
Traded a 1961 Topps Clemente for a whole box of Gregg Jefferies '89 Donruss Rated Rookies. Man, if I could turn back time...