Haha. At least you are consistent icehole.... very, very consistent.
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Haha. At least you are consistent icehole.... very, very consistent.
For those wondering what he was throwing, we have Cingrani's input:
http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp..._milb&sid=milb
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Tony Cingrani stuck with basically one pitch in his Triple-A debut on Thursday night. Not one batter came close to touching it.
"I was just throwing it up there, and they couldn't hit it," Cingrani said of his fastball. "I felt pretty good, the ball was coming out of my hand pretty well."
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"I wanted to be the best I could," said Cingrani, who whiffed 15 with Double-A Pensacola on June 26, 2012. "I just threw a bunch of fastballs and located wherever I wanted, just kept putting up zeros."
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The Reds want Cingrani to continue building confidence in throwing his off-speed pitches for strikes, with the hopes of him remaining a starter. But on Thursday, Cingrani just kept things simple.
"I was just using the fastball, locating it -- I didn't have to go to anything else," he said. "There were some changeups and sliders, but mostly just the fastball."
Last year, his slider looked nothing like the breaking ball he threw last night that the announcers were calling a curveball and not a slider. His slider was a poor pitch last year, but at times he would break off a good one. It didn't look like the pitch he was throwing last night.
My comment is a running joke.
Either in an article or on WLW, it was said that a Reds scout said Hoover had the best stuff of any pitcher in the Reds organization. So much to Doug's chagrin, I've continue to run with that comment because I know it irks him.
Just having a little fun. :D
J Hamilton's comments on Chapman were fascinating. It's not the sheer velocity, it's that the ball seems to come out of nowhere. Or words to that effect.
Sometimes a pitcher is just deceptive for whatever reason. Yes, the experts can probably pinpoint it. But it's not necessarily measurable; it's something in the delivery combined with good stuff and command.
Similarly, sometimes a pitcher who seems to have good stuff will deceive nobody; hitters will know what he's got and will hit it.
Cingrani just may be that unusual pitcher whose effectiveness can't be measured by objective criteria. There may just be something in his delivery that deceives the hitters. And he seems to have good command.
I would definitely keep him in the rotation for now. Reds have plenty of great arms in the pen right now, this guy is trained as a starter, let's see how it works out.
Exciting prospect IMO.
The Bats PBP guy was on with Lance McAllister earlier. He said that Ted Power, the Bats pitching coach said Cingrani was working FB, CH and CV.
Cingrani may grip it like a slider, but that doesn't mean he is throwing one. I honestly don't know if that is the case. But the pitching coach said curve. It looked like a curve to me. The slider is more pure vertical break. The curve has two plane break. That is what we saw last night.
Cingrani himself said:
It's a slider, and it's the same pitch he's been throwing since being drafted.Quote:
"I was just using the fastball, locating it -- I didn't have to go to anything else... There were some changeups and sliders, but mostly just the fastball."
That didn't add anything to the previous conversation. We already established that Cingrani said he was throwing a slider. The question was, is he actually throwing a slider, or is he just gripping it like a slider and it is actually a curveball?
Here is the pitch:
http://i.minus.com/iSSiuypQdaDwS.gif
I went back and compared the fastballs from the same at bat as that breaking ball. Arm speed was identical. Just the way the GIF was rendered.
I find it absolutely amazing that, instead of admitting you're wrong when confronted with the pitcher's own words about what he's throwing, you'd continue to "figure it out."
If Cingrani said it was a slider, then he threw a slider.
BTW, your definition of slider is wrong.
From wiki:
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In baseball, a slider... is a pitch that breaks laterally and down, with a speed between that of a curveball and that of a fastball.
The break on the pitch is shorter than that of a curveball. The release technique of a slider is between a curveball and a fastball. The slider is similar to the cutter, a pitch which is thrown as a fastball, but differs in the sense that a slider tends to be more of a breaking ball.