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HumnHilghtFreel 10-10-2006 04:00 PM

Torii Hunter
 
For all those who hoped we would sign him this off-season, you can put those hopes to rest.

The Twins picked up his 12M option today, so he's off the market.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

joshnky 10-10-2006 04:01 PM

You can forget about Torii Hunter...
 
Unless you want to trade for him. The Twins picked up his $12 million option for the 2007 season.

http://sportsline.com/mlb/story/9718407

Sorry I guess dburke beat me to it by a minute.

flyer85 10-10-2006 04:07 PM

Re: Torii Hunter
 
is $12M overpaying Hunter?

Probably but I suspect the Twins looked at the situation and realized
1) There is no internal replacement
2) with $12M for one year they couldn't get as good as an external replacement
3) In the generally inflated free agent market you get a much lower return on your dollar

dabvu2498 10-10-2006 04:09 PM

Re: Torii Hunter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricardo Cabesa (Post 1176556)
is $12M overpaying Hunter?

Probably but I suspect the Twins looked at the situation and realized
1) There is no internal replacement
2) with $12M for one year they couldn't get as good as an external replacement
3) In the generally inflated free agent market you get a much lower return on your dollar

4) If they're "out of it" at the trade deadline next year and he's having a decent season, he'll make for a nice trading chip.

NJReds 10-10-2006 04:24 PM

Re: Torii Hunter
 
I wonder how much Matthews Jr. will get? He made $2.3M this year, seems like a bargain compared to Hunter:

Matthews Jr. (32) 147 G, 620 AB, 102 R, 194 H, 44 2B, 6 3B, 19 HR, 79 RBI, 58 BB/99 K 10 SB/7 CS

.313 avg/.371 oba/.495 slg/.866 ops

Hunter MIN (31) 147 G, 557 AB, 86 R, 155 H, 21 2B, 2 3B, 31 HR, 98 RBI, 45BB/108 K, 12 SB/6 CS

.278 avg/.336 oba/.490 slg/.826 ops

Matt700wlw 10-10-2006 04:25 PM

Re: Torii Hunter
 
I'd take Matthews...

KronoRed 10-10-2006 04:29 PM

Re: Torii Hunter
 
I'd take Deno, both of these guys are north of 30.

wheels 10-10-2006 04:30 PM

Re: Torii Hunter
 
Good.

Hunter's fools gold at this point.

Let him fade away.

flyer85 10-10-2006 04:34 PM

Re: Torii Hunter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NJReds (Post 1176573)
I wonder how much Matthews Jr. will get? He made $2.3M this year, seems like a bargain compared to Hunter:

Matthews Jr. (32) 147 G, 620 AB, 102 R, 194 H, 44 2B, 6 3B, 19 HR, 79 RBI, 58 BB/99 K 10 SB/7 CS

.313 avg/.371 oba/.495 slg/.866 ops

Hunter MIN (31) 147 G, 557 AB, 86 R, 155 H, 21 2B, 2 3B, 31 HR, 98 RBI, 45BB/108 K, 12 SB/6 CS

.278 avg/.336 oba/.490 slg/.826 ops

career OPS for Matthews is 745 (age 32)
career OPS for Hunter is 786 (age 31)

Was 2006 Matthews a never to be repeated career year? (his history would suggest it it).

Who is likely better moving forward?

flyer85 10-10-2006 04:36 PM

Re: Torii Hunter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KronoRed (Post 1176578)
I'd take Deno, both of these guys are north of 30.

Good answer. I would say there is a real possibility that Deno could do as well as both of them in 2007.

I think back to the Depodesta comment that the great inefficiency in baseball are the players in the middle.

NJReds 10-10-2006 04:46 PM

Re: Torii Hunter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricardo Cabesa (Post 1176582)
career OPS for Matthews is 745 (age 32)
career OPS for Hunter is 786 (age 31)

Was 2006 Matthews a never to be repeated career year? (his history would suggest it it).

Who is likely better moving forward?


Matthews looks like a late bloomer. Although Texas may have something to do with that. I'm not saying Matthews is better than Hunter, because he's not. But he's a much better deal from a financial perspective.

flyer85 10-10-2006 04:51 PM

Re: Torii Hunter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NJReds (Post 1176588)
Matthews looks like a late bloomer.

looks like a fluke to me.

Quote:

Although Texas may have something to do with that. I'm not saying Matthews is better than Hunter, because he's not. But he's a much better deal from a financial perspective.
Depends on what he gets. There is absolutely nothing in his resume to indicate 2006 was possible, so i would say Matthews is a huge "buyer beware".

wheels 10-10-2006 04:53 PM

Re: Torii Hunter
 
Any outfielder they bring in needs to cover ground.

At 32 years old, that ability's almost gone by the wayside.

They need fresh legs, not some guy that pounded himself sensless on astroturf and outfield walls (sound familiar?), and not a guy that had a one year bump in hitters park.

This is the wrong time for chasing one's own tail.

flyer85 10-10-2006 04:55 PM

Re: Torii Hunter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wheels (Post 1176595)
This is the wrong time for chasing one's own tail.

throwing big money around in the free agent market has proven time and time again to be a bad idea (especially at pitching).

NJReds 10-10-2006 04:58 PM

Re: Torii Hunter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wheels (Post 1176595)
Any outfielder they bring in needs to cover ground.

At 32 years old, that ability's almost gone by the wayside.

I don't know. Johnny Damon can still cover a lot of ground. He just can't throw...at all.

I'd rather pay Matthews $2.5M than $12M to Hunter or Griffey for that matter.


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