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Johnny Sain age 89 died Tuesday 11/7//06.

Re: RIP Johnny Sain

A legend has passed god rest his soul.

Re: RIP Johnny Sain

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topcat (Post 1189621)

A legend has passed god rest his soul.

No doubt about it. He was a legend.

RIP

Re: RIP Johnny Sain

Warren Spahn died three years ago..."Spahn, Sain and pray for rain"-it should be raining on the day of Sain's funeral.

Re: RIP Johnny Sain

A great pitcher and pitching coach. RIP.

Re: RIP Johnny Sain

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedsBaron (Post 1189625)

Warren Spahn died three years ago..."Spahn, Sain and pray for rain"-it should be raining on the day of Sain's funeral.

http://www.halloffamememorabilia.com...0160-A1med.jpg

Re: RIP Johnny Sain

Rest in peace, Mr. Sain. May the sun shine wherever you may be.

Great picture, RFS

Re: RIP Johnny Sain

I am fortunate to have befriended Johnny Sain in the late '80's-early '90's. His daughter Sheryl and grandson Wilson lived nearby and he came to visit them a couple of times a year. I guess he took time to visit occassionally with me because I enjoyed listening to his stories and philosophies. On one visit, he had just been to a card show with Warren Spahn, and he brought me several signed pictures (including the one 62 posted), a cartoon of him engineering a train pulling all the twenty game winners he had produced, and an old Sporting News article. I also have some photographs of him with my oldest son who was probably in the third grade at the time.

Sheryl once told me that she had been told that the Hall of Fame intended to induct him as a coach but planned to wait until after his death. Hmmm...I found that strange logic on their part, but now we will see.

I have recently taught one of his nieces. She had kept me informed about his stroke and nursing home life up until recently when she moved onto the high school.

Johnny Sain will always be one of my heroes and I am grateful for having been lucky enough to have listened to his stories and talked baseball with him. He and his family will be in my prayers.

Re: RIP Johnny Sain

An innovator in his time when it came to teaching pitching.

Re: RIP Johnny Sain

Sain hated to run, pitchers loved him for that

Quote:

"The greatest pitching coach who ever lived."

Jim Bouton

He coached the 1968 Tigers staff, so he was the last pitching coach of a 30 game winner.

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JOHNNY SAIN



GIVEN NAME: John Franklin Sain

BORN: 9/25/1917  Havana, Arkansas  

BAT: R  THROW: R  HEIGHT: 6'2"  WEIGHT: 185  MLB DEBUT: 4/24/1942



YEAR TEAM         AGE W   L   PCT   G    GS  CG  SV  GF  IP     H    R    ER   BB   SO    ERA  RSAA

1942 Braves       24   4   7  .364   40   3   0   6  24   97     79   54   42   63   68   3.90   -8 

1946 Braves       28  20  14  .588   37  34  24   2   2  265    225   80   65   87  129   2.21   30 

1947 Braves       29  21  12  .636   38  35  22   1   3  266    265  117  104   79  132   3.52    9 

1948 Braves       30  24  15  .615   42  39  28   1   3  315    297  105   91   83  137   2.60   45 

1949 Braves       31  10  17  .370   37  36  16   0   1  243    285  150  130   75   73   4.81  -27 

1950 Braves       32  20  13  .606   37  37  25   0   0  278    294  139  122   70   96   3.95  -12 

1951 Braves       33   5  13  .278   26  22   6   1   2  160    195   88   75   45   63   4.22   -6 

     Yankees      33   2   1  .667    7   4   1   1   2   37     41   17   17    8   21   4.14   -2 

     TOTALS            7  14  .333   33  26   7   2   4  197    236  105   92   53   84   4.20   -8 

1952 Yankees      34  11   6  .647   35  16   8   7  15  148    149   70   57   38   57   3.47    0 

1953 Yankees      35  14   7  .667   40  19  10   9  19  189    189   68   63   45   84   3.00   12 

1954 Yankees      36   6   6  .500   45   0   0  22  39   77     66   27   27   15   33   3.16    4 

1955 Yankees      37   0   0          3   0   0   0   1    5.1    6    4    4    1    5   6.75   -2 

     A's          37   2   5  .286   25   0   0   1  13   44.2   54   28   27   10   12   5.44   -7 

     TOTALS            2   5  .286   28   0   0   1  14   50     60   32   31   11   17   5.58   -9 

     TOTALS          139 116  .545  412 245 140  51 124 2125   2145  947  824  619  910   3.49   36 

     LG AVERAGE      118 118  .500           93  25     2125   2114 1046  917  856  910   3.89    0 



YEAR TEAM          HR  H/9   BR/9  SO/9  BB/9  SO/BB SHO WP  IBB HBP BFP   BK  NW  NL

1942 Braves         8  7.33 13.64  6.31  5.85  1.08   0   4   0   5   423  1   5   6 

1946 Braves         8  7.64 10.66  4.38  2.95  1.48   3   3   0   2  1086  2  23  11 

1947 Braves        19  8.97 11.77  4.47  2.67  1.67   3   3   0   4  1131  0  18  15 

1948 Braves        19  8.49 11.00  3.91  2.37  1.65   4   2   0   5  1313  0  26  13 

1949 Braves        15 10.56 13.48  2.70  2.78  0.97   1   1   0   4  1072  0  11  16 

1950 Braves        34  9.52 11.85  3.11  2.27  1.37   3   5   0   2  1178  3  15  18 

1951 Braves        16 10.97 13.67  3.54  2.53  1.40   1   0   0   3   711  0   8  10 

     Yankees        5  9.97 11.92  5.11  1.95  2.63   0   0   0   0   155  0   1   2 

     TOTALS        21 10.78 13.34  3.84  2.42  1.58   1   0   0   3   866  0   9  12 

1952 Yankees       15  9.06 11.49  3.47  2.31  1.50   0   0   0   2   620  0   9   8 

1953 Yankees       16  9.00 11.29  4.00  2.14  1.87   1   2   0   3   780  1  12   9 

1954 Yankees       11  7.71  9.47  3.86  1.75  2.20   0   0   0   0   310  1   7   5 

1955 Yankees        4 10.13 11.81  8.44  1.69  5.00   0   0   0   0    22  0   0   0 

     A's           10 10.88 12.90  2.42  2.01  1.20   0   0   4   0   197  0   3   4 

     TOTALS        14 10.80 12.78  3.06  1.98  1.55   0   0   4   0   219  0   3   4 

     TOTALS       180  9.08 11.83  3.85  2.62  1.47  16  20   4  30  8998  8 138 117 

     LG AVERAGE   165  8.95 12.74  3.85  3.63  1.06  17  40   1  39  9144  6

Re: RIP Johnny Sain

Quote:

Originally Posted by RANDY IN CHAR NC (Post 1189701)

An innovator in his time when it came to teaching pitching.

Yes he was. Also, he invented the pitch-back and that ball with the various grips marked in colors.

Re: RIP Johnny Sain

BTW Sains best season in RSAA (Runs Saved Above Average) was in 1948, 45.

Code:

ATLANTA BRAVES

SEASON

1948

RSAA                           RSAA    

1    Johnny Sain                  45   

2    Nels Potter                  15   

3    Vern Bickford                10   

T4   Bobby Hogue                   6   

T4   Bill Voiselle                 6   

T6   Ernie White                   5   

T6   Warren Spahn                  5   

8    Red Barrett                   3   

T9   Ed Wright                     1   

T9   Johnny Antonelli              1   

T9   Ray Martin                    1   

 



And that doesn't even make the Braves top ten.



ATLANTA BRAVES

MODERN (1900-)

RSAA                          YEAR    RSAA    

1    Greg Maddux              1995       64   

2    Greg Maddux              1994       56   

3    Greg Maddux              1998       55   

4    Warren Spahn             1953       54   

5    Bill Dinneen             1900       52   

6    Greg Maddux              1997       51   

7    Greg Maddux              1993       49   

8    Warren Spahn             1947       48   

T9   Tom Glavine              1991       46   

T9   Phil Niekro              1978       46

Bronson had 41 this year

Code:

CINCINNATI REDS

SEASON

MODERN (1900-)

RSAA                          YEAR    RSAA    

1    Dolf Luque               1923       66   

2    Bucky Walters            1939       58   

3    Noodles Hahn             1902       47   

4    Dolf Luque               1925       45   

5    Jose Rijo                1993       44   

6    Bucky Walters            1940       42   

T7   Ewell Blackwell          1950       41   

T7   Bronson Arroyo           2006       41   

T9   Noodles Hahn             1904       37   

T9   Bob Purkey               1962       37   

T9   Ewell Blackwell          1947       37

Re: RIP Johnny Sain

Sain should be recognized in the Hall as a coach. Absolutely.

Re: RIP Johnny Sain

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He coached the 1968 Tigers staff, so he was the last pitching coach of a 30 game winner.

And he coached an incredible number of twenty game winners, many of whom had been very mediocre types before his magic was performed. I can't remember all without looking at that cartoon but some were Whitey Ford, Jim Bouton, Mudcat Grant, Jim Perry, Dave Boswell, Dean Chance, Jim Kaat, Earl Wilson, Denny McLain, Clyde Wright, Wilber Wood, and Stan Bahnsen.

Also, Leo Mazzone gives him credit for much of his success.

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