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TheWalls 02-16-2007 12:59 PM

Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side)
 
I'm sitting here comparing the starting 8, five most like starters and end of the pens for the Reds, Cards, Cubs and Brewers side by side.

The Brewers may be the most balanced, have the most upside with the youngsters, and the best pen. The Cards look old (Edmonds, Rolen, Encarnacion) and really thin at pitcher, but they have exceptional clutch hitting. The Cubs look like an incredibly expensive 85 win team that will have nice stats and a crappy record.

The Reds certainly don't look outclassed across the board. I think the top of the order will be able to manufacture runs, we have decent thumpers in the middle of the lineup and the bottom will keep pitchers honest. The defense other than the left side is good, especially if Junior moves to RF and I think the starters and pen both compare quite favorably.

I am struck by how all of these rosters are fragile to injuries to key players.

Take a look. (Sorry, the editor won't let me space better)

Reds Cards Cubs Brewers
1B Hatteberg Pujols Lee Fielder
2B Phillips Kennedy De Rosa Weeks
SS Gonzalez Eckstein Izturis Hardy
3B Encarnacion Rolen Ramirez Koskie
LF Dunn Duncan Murton Jenkins
CF Griffey Edmonds Soriano Hall
RF Freel Encarnacion Jones Hart
C Ross Molina Barrett Estrada

SP1 Harang Carpenter ZambranoCapuano
SP2 Arroyo Wells Lilly Sheets
SP3 Milton Reyes Marquis Suppan
SP4 Lohse Wainright Hill Bush
SP5 Saarlos Looper Prior Vargas

BP1 Stanton Isringhausen Dempster Cordero
BP2 Weathers Rincon Wood Wise
BP3 Coffey Flores Howry Turnbow
BP4 Bray Hancock Eyre Capellan

savafan 02-16-2007 01:04 PM

Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side)
 
On paper, the Reds don't look far off the mark as far as being able to compete in their own division, it's once the playoffs start that bothers me.

dabvu2498 02-16-2007 01:07 PM

Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side)
 
Double post

dabvu2498 02-16-2007 01:08 PM

Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by savafan (Post 1243974)
On paper, the Reds don't look far off the mark as far as being able to compete in their own division, it's once the playoffs start that bothers me.

http://sjl-static7.sjl.youtube.com/vi/kc2pAtAA85I/2.jpg

Playoffs?

savafan 02-16-2007 01:08 PM

Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side)
 
playoffs=post season=championship series=fantasy land

jojo 02-16-2007 01:12 PM

Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWalls (Post 1243973)
The Cards look old (Edmonds, Rolen, Encarnacion) and really thin at pitcher, but they have exceptional clutch hitting.

The Cards have the best rotation in the division.

I won't even comment about the clutch hitting because it's so completely trumped by the Reds increased defensive IQ and heart.

:cool:

savafan 02-16-2007 01:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jojo (Post 1243979)
The Cards have the best rotation in the division.

The Cards have the rotation most likely to spend the season on the DL as well.

Heath 02-16-2007 01:32 PM

Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by savafan (Post 1243974)
On paper, the Reds don't look far off the mark as far as being able to compete in their own division, it's once the playoffs start that bothers me.

The following is a bad statement -

If the Reds made the playoffs, I'd be thrilled. I could care less if they got swept. They made it.

vaticanplum 02-16-2007 03:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Heath (Post 1243991)
If the Reds made the playoffs, I'd be thrilled. I could care less if they got swept. They made it.

I feel the same way right now.

I doubt I'd feel that way once they got there. I doubt you would either :p:

Caveman Techie 02-16-2007 04:01 PM

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With the 1, 2 punch of Harang and Arroyo I would give the Reds a shot in any postseason matchup. It's getting there that is the real problem.

Highlifeman21 02-16-2007 04:08 PM

Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side)
 
74-75 wins

If we replace Jerry Narron prior to Opening Day (which won't happen), then we should see 84-86 wins.

This team somehow continues to win in spite of Jerry Narron.

reds44 02-16-2007 05:54 PM

Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jojo (Post 1243979)
The Cards have the best rotation in the division.

:

Your kidding right?

Kip Wells, Anthony Reyes (era north of 5 last year), Adam Wainwright (hasn't started in the majors, but I think he's the best of the 3), and Braden Looper strikes fear in my heart.

Redhook 02-16-2007 06:05 PM

Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dabvu2498 (Post 1243977)

:laugh:

PickOff 02-16-2007 06:43 PM

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Healthy Prior = 95 wins

...for the Cubs that is:(

dunner13 02-16-2007 06:58 PM

Re: Wide Open (NL Central Side by Side by Side)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by reds44 (Post 1244135)
Your kidding right?

Kip Wells, Anthony Reyes (era north of 5 last year), Adam Wainwright (hasn't started in the majors, but I think he's the best of the 3), and Braden Looper strikes fear in my heart.

Braden Looper could be our best player this year. Im betting dunn gets at least 5 homeruns off looper alone.


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