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TheWalls 04-09-2007 08:33 AM
Reds vs. Lefties
 
I know it's only a sample size of six games (five of them in hockey conditions), but I worry that the Reds two losses have been to pretty pedestrian lefties. Management has contributed to this problem with its one-sided emphasis of left handed power. My question is: can the Reds improve against lefties or will this be our offensive Achilles heel again this year?

Degenerate39 04-09-2007 08:36 AM
Re: Reds vs. Lefties
 
It's still early so I really don't know yet. Only time will tell.

Ron Madden 04-09-2007 08:45 AM
Re: Reds vs. Lefties
 
Having another RH hitting Outfielder on the bench instead of a third Catcher that can't hit makes sense.

Degenerate39 04-09-2007 08:50 AM
Re: Reds vs. Lefties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Madden (Post 1291896)
Having another RH hitting Outfielder on the bench instead of a third Catcher that can't hit makes sense.
That's where Deno would have came in. What about Norris Hopper when he returns? Is he a right or lefty?

Dunner44 04-09-2007 08:51 AM
Re: Reds vs. Lefties
 
I was sure when Jerry made the ouble switch yesterday that it would be with Castro, not Moller. He's just a horrible hitter (granted, Castro's not much better, but at least he gets on hot streaks).

ThatPitchIsDunn 04-09-2007 09:02 AM
Re: Reds vs. Lefties
 
Isn't Zach Duke pretty much the Pirates' Number 1? He may be young, but I'm not sure if I'd call him pedestrian.

You're right on with Lilly though.

TOBTTReds 04-09-2007 09:16 AM
Re: Reds vs. Lefties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThatPitchIsDunn (Post 1291910)
Isn't Zach Duke pretty much the Pirates' Number 1? He may be young, but I'm not sure if I'd call him pedestrian.

You're right on with Lilly though.
I would take Lilly over Duke any day. I think Lilly could be this year's Arroyo. His curve just had the Reds sitting like they had never seen one. He looked like Zito.

Chip R 04-09-2007 09:21 AM
Re: Reds vs. Lefties
 
I beleve Maholm is a lefty and the Reds handled him pretty well. he's about as pedestrian as you get.

PuffyPig 04-09-2007 09:55 AM
Re: Reds vs. Lefties
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AvesIce51 (Post 1291921)
I would take Lilly over Duke any day. I think Lilly could be this year's Arroyo. His curve just had the Reds sitting like they had never seen one. He looked like Zito.
We had about 3 balls hit against Liily that would have been HR's on any normal day..

Lilly and Duke are about he same, league average starters.

UK Reds Fan 04-09-2007 11:44 AM
Re: Reds vs. Lefties
 
I guess we're hoping Hopper can get back and give us a stick from the right side...I can't see why Moeller would not automatically be sent away when Hopper's heal is better.

Problem is Norris has no power, but a high OBP guy. Do we give Griffey more days off vs. Lefties for an additional RH outfield bat?

Reds need more production from back part of lineup vs. lefties. Ross, Gonzo, etc...need to step it up and be more impactful.

BRM 04-09-2007 11:52 AM
Re: Reds vs. Lefties
 
Hopper's career OBP in the minors is .345. That's not bad but I don't know that I'd classify him as a "high OBP" guy. And you're right, he has zero power. That said, I'd take him on the roster over Moeller in a heartbeat.

blumj 04-09-2007 12:05 PM
Re: Reds vs. Lefties
 
A lot of average pitchers are more feast or famine than really pedestrian overall, and Lilly tends to be like that. If you let him settle in and get his curveball working, you're probably going to have a tough time. If you get to him early, you can knock him around.

westofyou 04-09-2007 02:14 PM
Re: Reds vs. Lefties
 
Doug Davis tonight

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dougdirt 04-09-2007 02:17 PM
Re: Reds vs. Lefties
 
That doesn't look promising WOY.... considering Conine and Hatteberg both do fairly well against him... but only Conine will be playing. Although given BPs success against him, maybe he can break out of this slump he has had at the start of the season.

pedro 04-09-2007 02:19 PM
Re: Reds vs. Lefties
 
Considering contracts I think I'd take my chances with Duke over Lilly.


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