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BCubb2003 07-15-2007 09:38 PM
Phillies lose 10,000th
 
Could be worse, Reds fans.

cumberlandreds 07-16-2007 06:56 AM
Re: Phillies lose 10,000th
 
I wonder what the Reds all time record is? Anyone know?

Reds Fanatic 07-16-2007 07:39 AM
Re: Phillies lose 10,000th
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cumberlandreds (Post 1413306)
I wonder what the Reds all time record is? Anyone know?
They had this in the Dayton paper the other day. The Reds all time record is 9208-9161.

Yachtzee 07-16-2007 07:41 AM
Re: Phillies lose 10,000th
 
Wow. I knew they were way up there in all-time losses. Unloveable losers, sometimes I think it's amazing that they're the team that survived in Philly and the A's were the ones that moved.

Yachtzee 07-16-2007 07:42 AM
Re: Phillies lose 10,000th
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reds Fanatic (Post 1413310)
They had this in the Dayton paper the other day. The Reds all time record is 9208-9161.
Is that counting back to 1882 or 1876?

MrCinatit 07-16-2007 08:02 AM
Re: Phillies lose 10,000th
 
Baseball Reference has their record from 1882-2007 as 9637-9341 (not sure where the descrepancy is between them and DDN - but I am more likely to go with baseballreference).
If we add the brutally bad 1876-1880 period of 125-217, we get 9762-9558.

Pretty good, actually, considering we have not had a winning record since 2000.

cumberlandreds 07-16-2007 08:05 AM
Re: Phillies lose 10,000th
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCinatit (Post 1413319)
Baseball Reference has their record from 1882-2007 as 9637-9341 (not sure where the descrepancy is between them and DDN - but I am more likely to go with baseballreference).
If we add the brutally bad 1876-1880 period of 125-217, we get 9762-9558.

Pretty good, actually, considering we have not had a winning record since 2000.

Thanks! I think I would go with the baseballreference.com figures.

Yachtzee 07-16-2007 08:41 AM
Re: Phillies lose 10,000th
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCinatit (Post 1413319)
Baseball Reference has their record from 1882-2007 as 9637-9341 (not sure where the descrepancy is between them and DDN - but I am more likely to go with baseballreference).
If we add the brutally bad 1876-1880 period of 125-217, we get 9762-9558.

Pretty good, actually, considering we have not had a winning record since 2000.
Maybe DDN was only going back to 1890 or '91, whenever the Reds re-entered the National League.

Reds Fanatic 07-16-2007 08:49 AM
Re: Phillies lose 10,000th
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yachtzee (Post 1413313)
Is that counting back to 1882 or 1876?
The writer said it was going back to 1876 but if baseball reference has it different I am sure the writer had to make an error somewhere.

westofyou 07-16-2007 09:55 AM
Re: Phillies lose 10,000th
 
Code:
WINS                            W        L      PCT   
1    Giants                    10108    8627    .540 
2    Cubs                      9901    9376    .514 
3    Dodgers                    9787    8892    .524 
4    Cardinals                  9762    9107    .517 
5    Braves                    9611    9638    .499 
6    Reds                      9600    9285    .508 
7    Pirates                    9317    8991    .509 
8    Yankees                    9171    6942    .569 
9    Phillies                  8759    9953    .468 
10  Red Sox                    8443    7960    .515 
11  Indians                    8380    8029    .511 
12  Tigers                    8314    8118    .506 
13  White Sox                  8301    8091    .506 
14  A's                        7964    8413    .486 
15  Senators/Twins            7885    8508    .481 
16  Browns/Orioles            7811    8579    .477 
17  Angels                    3596    3726    .491 
18  Astros                    3579    3583    .500 
19  Senators/Rangers          3415    3888    .468 
20  Mets                      3409    3741    .477 
21  Royals                    2934    3083    .488 
22  Expos/Nationals            2907    3115    .483 
23  Pilots/Brewers            2836    3187    .471 
24  Padres                    2781    3248    .461 
25  Blue Jays                  2345    2390    .495 
26  Mariners                  2227    2508    .470 
27  Browns/Orioles            1131    1046    .520 
28  Marlins                    1041    1160    .473 
29  Rockies                    1025    1180    .465 
30  Colonels                    988    1319    .428 
31  Spiders                    826      934    .469 
32  Diamondbacks                728      730    .499

westofyou 07-16-2007 11:47 AM
Re: Phillies lose 10,000th
 
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...articleid=6453

Quote:
While you can find an endless array of fascinating statistics, on this web site in other places, for the teams, the number that eventually mean the most are team wins and losses. And no team in baseball history has lost quite like the Philadelphia Phillies—they are just one defeat away from becoming the first major league franchise to reach 10,000 losses, as they have an all-time record of 8,810-9,999.

Though the Phillies have tried to put off the milestone as long as possible by beating the Cardinals in their first two games after the All-Star break, it’s still represents a lot of losing, as both the Philadelphia Daily News’ Paul Hagen and Philadelphia Inquirer’s Frank Fitzpatrick have noted. Hagen points out that the Phillies would need 32 consecutive 100-win seasons to get up to .500, while Fitzpatrick notes the Phillies would need to win 1,189 straight games to reach the break-even point. The official response? “It is mind-boggling,” Larry Shenk, the Phillies’ vice president for public relations, told the Inquirer. “But it’s what it is. We’ll take it and move on.”

One distinction the Phillies may lose in 2009 is the all-time record for consecutive losing seasons, which they set with 16 from 1933-48. Pittsburgh is at 14 and counting, as the Pirates are 40-50 and seem to be a lock for another sub-.500 finish this year.

BCubb2003 07-16-2007 11:52 AM
Re: Phillies lose 10,000th
 
I wonder what their pythag is?

Roy Tucker 07-16-2007 11:55 AM
Re: Phillies lose 10,000th
 
For the era I've followed NL baseball (1964-present), I've always thought the Phillies were a pretty good ball club.

Just eyeballing baseball-reference, that stretch between 1918-1948 was absolutely brutal for the Phils. That's a long daggone time to play horrible baseball. I can understand the origins of the boo-birds.

westofyou 07-16-2007 11:56 AM
Re: Phillies lose 10,000th
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BCubb2003 (Post 1413403)
I wonder what their pythag is?
.483

westofyou 07-16-2007 12:01 PM
Re: Phillies lose 10,000th
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roy Tucker (Post 1413408)
For the era I've followed NL baseball (1964-present), I've always thought the Phillies were a pretty good ball club.

Just eyeballing baseball-reference, that stretch between 1918-1948 was absolutely brutal for the Phils. That's a long daggone time to play horrible baseball. I can understand the origins of the boo-birds.
Yep, the worst run in the history, fraught with goats as lawnmowers, a crumbling stadium and the worse pitching ever.

I wrote a piece on the worst run of bad seasons in the history of the game and they are the studs of the stable

http://baseballminutia.com/blog/2006...ve-star-stink/


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