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Ineptitude continues to scale the mountain.

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         W         L         pct        p-wins        p-losses   p-pct   Runs    RA         Diff    Runs/G    RA/G



2001        66        96        .407          69           93           .428    735    850         -115     4.54     5.25

2002        78        84        .481          74           88           .456    709    774          -65     4.38     4.78

2003        69        93        .426          62          100           .380    694    886         -192     4.28     5.47

2004        76        86        .469          66           96           .406    750    907         -157     4.63     5.60

2005        73        89        .451          74           88           .460    820    889          -69     5.06     5.49

2006        80        82        .494          76           86           .466    749    801          -52     4.62     4.94

2007        72        90        .444          74           88      .457    783    853          -70     4.83     5.27

2008        50        58        .463          47           61           .431    467    537          -70     4.32     4.97

                                                                                        

TOTAL  564     678      .454         541          701           .436   5707   6497         -790     4.60     5.23

We're pretty much now looking at the 3rd worst stretch in franchise history for this organization; only the early 30s and the late 40s/early 50s were worse. In fact, the last time the Reds were this bad for this long they were an all white team and hadn't yet integrated. And if this organization doesn't improve pretty quickly over the next few years, then they're in danger of launching themselves into the worst stretch in franchise history.

The Reds are 114 games below .500 since beginning the 2001 season
The Reds have averaged a 74-88 record since beginning the 2001 season
The Reds have been outscored by 790 runs since beginning the 2001 season

Congrats go out to everybody in the Reds organization who have contributed to such a run.

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It's good to witness history.

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Too much stress for this young soul.

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Well, when you put it that way ...

I can't even come up with anything. I didn't realize it was that bad. Good reality check though.

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Thanks, Cyclone. Would you like to take a dull drill bit to my knee caps next?

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Have no fear. The current management wants to win.

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Originally Posted by RedsManRick (Post 1705982)

Have no fear. The current management wants to win.

The losing stops now.

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Originally Posted by Cyclone792

The Reds are 114 games below .500 since beginning the 2001 season
The Reds have averaged a 74-88 record since beginning the 2001 season
The Reds have been outscored by 790 runs since beginning the 2001 season

I was looking at this just last night. It's scary. What's scarier, is I don't see the end of it. The bully is better, but we still need a starter or two. We have a team of hackers who have no idea how to work a count. We lack intelligent hitters. I just have to feel we're going to have to import some maturity to this squad and hire management that has the guts to make players be more patient at the plate.

When you average scoring 4.59 and giving up 5.23 runs per game for the 8 year period, but have fallen to 4.32 you've got a problem. Over the 8 year period, the Reds were being outscored by .64 runs per game. This year, it's .65. Progress? Hardly.

It might be hopeless unless some personnel changes are made over the winter. Big ones.

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Clearly the problem is Adam Dunn and his lack of hustle.

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Anyone have a chart of the major-league pitching talent (or any major-league players, for that matter) drafted and developed by the Reds during that timeframe?

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Originally Posted by Cyclone792 (Post 1705960)

Congrats go out to everybody in the Reds organization who have contributed to such a run.

:lol: Great ending line.

That's what happens when you have someone like John Allen running the team into the ground.

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End of the losing has to come with some honest evaluation of the talent. Adam Dunn is definitely not the problem. Handing out long term contracts, even to the greatest players, is a problem because you lose flexibility; everything has to be organized around your long-term guys. The last GM was a significant part of the problem, but now at least somebody with a legitimate record of success is on board. The talent is not as good as many think, even the young ones. The best talent--by far--was traded away. time to start facing up. 90 losses this year, maybe we can get that down to 85 by next. Contention is several years away.

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Originally Posted by HokieRed (Post 1706039)

End of the losing has to come with some honest evaluation of the talent. Adam Dunn is definitely not the problem. Handing out long term contracts, even to the greatest players, is a problem because you lose flexibility; everything has to be organized around your long-term guys. The last GM was a significant part of the problem, but now at least somebody with a legitimate record of success is on board. The talent is not as good as many think, even the young ones. The best talent--by far--was traded away. time to start facing up. 90 losses this year, maybe we can get that down to 85 by next. Contention is several years away.

The gratuitous knocks on "the last GM" are sometimes just breathtaking, even laughable. Krivsky's record was around .463, slightly better the overall percentage shown. That judgement just can't be made from this persepective (nor can it be said about Dan O'Brien at this juncture). There's just not enough data to say that. WK's draft classes are still still in A ball, for the most part. His successor, he with "a legitimate record of success," has made no moves to improve the big league club so the losing can stop now.

Not to mention that this putrid record goes back before this "lost decade" and lays at far more peoples feet than just "the last GM". This isn't a defense of WK, but such sweeping statements really are an embarrasment to the tone I would expect from RZ. When there's enough historical perspective to make that determination, come back and let us know how much of this wretchedness rests at his feet.

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Originally Posted by WVRedsFan (Post 1705984)

We have a team of hackers who have no idea how to work a count. We lack intelligent hitters. I just have to feel we're going to have to import some maturity to this squad and hire management that has the guts to make players be more patient at the plate.

Bingo. Adam Dunn is virtually the only patient hitter the Reds have, and many Reds fans, lead by the local media, want to run Dunn out of town. I sometimes think a lot of Reds fans and leaders have never even heard of on base percentage.

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only two and a half years to go :thumbup: