Re: Selig on Pete Rose reinstatement: “Still Reviewing Application”
I'm out of the loop now....why did this even come up?
Re: Selig on Pete Rose reinstatement: “Still Reviewing Application”
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redsfan4445
if something i do at work took me 12 years to review it, I think i know I would be fired by now!!
Not if that job was basically to throw a piece of paper away.
Re: Selig on Pete Rose reinstatement: “Still Reviewing Application”
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The other thing that happened was that baseball changed the rules on Hall of Fame eligibilty right AFTER Rose reached this Agreement. Until that time, there had been no rule prohibiting a player on the permanently inelgible list from being voted into the Hall of Fame. This was put in place right after the Agreement was signed.
Even my Uncle from NY, who's a lifelong Yankee fan and hates Pete Rose, thought this was total bull. It's basically saying that they don't trust the writers to do the right thing.
Re: Selig on Pete Rose reinstatement: “Still Reviewing Application”
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TheNext44
Even my Uncle from NY, who's a lifelong Yankee fan and hates Pete Rose, thought this was total bull. It's basically saying that they don't trust the writers to do the right thing.
Who can trust baseball to do the right thing anymore? They turned their backs on the PED issue forever because it was making them PROFIT.
Until recentely, PEDs weren't an issue, even though many of them were illegal
Re: Selig on Pete Rose reinstatement: “Still Reviewing Application”
Does Pete belong in the Hall more than Barry Bonds? Interesting question. Rose bet on baseball, but no one could say he ever threw a game, right? Bonds "cheated" because he used performance enhancing drugs, right? Who is more worthy? I'd vote for Pete 100times before I'd vote for Barry. Both had very serious human flaws. It bothers me.
Re: Selig on Pete Rose reinstatement: “Still Reviewing Application”
I think 12 years is probably long enough to review something. My daughter graduated from high school this year. She was going into 1st grade when Bud started looking at it.
I don't care what it is, but Selig needs to come to a conclusion on it. It's really pretty darn silly.
Re: Selig on Pete Rose reinstatement: “Still Reviewing Application”
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Matt700wlw
I'm out of the loop now....why did this even come up?
West Virginia paper, Reds fan perhaps wrote it?
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I'd vote for Pete 100times before I'd vote for Barry.
No surprise here, reds fans give Pete a pass as much as Giants fans gave Barry a pass.
Pete broke the rule on the wall though, he gets no pass from me.
Re: Selig on Pete Rose reinstatement: “Still Reviewing Application”
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Raisor
You mean the agreement where he agreed to a LIFETIME ban?
The same type of "lifetime ban" that Bowie Kuhn slapped on both Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle for taking a casino greeter job in 1983 only to have Peter Ueberroth turn over in 1985?
or the kind of banned for life that Fay Vincent put on George STeinbrenner in 1990 after he paid a small-time gambler, $40,000? Of course King George was reinstated in 1993.
Which kind of lifetime ban do you think Rose agreed to? One with the chance to be reinstated after a year. He's done more than his time.
I think if Rose had come clean and shown contrition earlier, he would already be reinstated. The timing of this particular bit of publicity is interesting precisely because it doesn't seem to be coming from Rose, but from the commissioners office.
Re: Selig on Pete Rose reinstatement: “Still Reviewing Application”
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flyer85
someone must be a slow reader
Has it been established that Bud can read?
Re: Selig on Pete Rose reinstatement: “Still Reviewing Application”
A reporter posed a question during an open Q&A. I really don't see anything more to this than circumstance.
I'd like to see Pete reinstated for selfish reasons, understanding and admitting my own hypocrisy. He's a great 'character' and he'd make fantastic theater. Considering I spend at least 12 hours a day immersed in said theater, Pete would make for a nice diversion.
That said, I can appreciate those who do not want him reinstated.
Re: Selig on Pete Rose reinstatement: “Still Reviewing Application”
If Pete is reinstated, does it send a message that it's okay to bet on baseball, because you will be allowed back in eventually? Or do you think the 12 years is enough of a punishment to deter future violations?
Interesting comparison between Bonds & Rose. I think a major difference is that Pete knew what the rules and punishment was before he decided that he was bigger than the game. Bonds did something that was more or less accepted at the time. I have no sympathy for those caught doing PEDs now with the testing, and if someone were dumb enough to get 3 strikes, then I don't think they should ever be reinstated.
Re: Selig on Pete Rose reinstatement: “Still Reviewing Application”
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GAC
Selig is a coward. Instead of continually saying you're "reviewing" the Rose appeal, and avoiding the question, come out and honestly answer the question. Geez!
Of course knowing Selig, maybe it is taking him this long to review it.
I actually think Bud is doing Rose a favor. If Bud definitively rules that Rose's request is denied. It will be harder for the next commissioner(assuming there is a next commissioner) to overturn the precedent. Not in a legal sense, but certainly the next commissioner would be going out on a bigger limb to essentially overturn what Bud said.
What Selig is essentially doing is saying, "I won't let you in but I don't want the next guy burdened with my decision. If he lets you in so be it."
I'm not sure its not the best way to handle what you hope is a unique case.
Re: Selig on Pete Rose reinstatement: “Still Reviewing Application”
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Eric_the_Red
If Pete is reinstated, does it send a message that it's okay to bet on baseball, because you will be allowed back in eventually? Or do you think the 12 years is enough of a punishment to deter future violations?
The punishment (let alone the severity) has always been a poor deterrent for any 'crime' because the offender will have already convinced him/herself that they will not be caught.
Regardless of Pete's ultimate baseball fate (I think we all have a pretty good sense it is not promising), any baseball player can wager on or against themselves anonymously through any number of online betting sites using nothing more than a VISA gift card purchased at a mall kiosk. Using the reinstatement of Pete as the last finger in the gambling dam is a canard.
Re: Selig on Pete Rose reinstatement: “Still Reviewing Application”
Re: Selig on Pete Rose reinstatement: “Still Reviewing Application”
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Eric_the_Red
Interesting comparison between Bonds & Rose. I think a major difference is that Pete knew what the rules and punishment was before he decided that he was bigger than the game. Bonds did something that was more or less accepted at the time. I have no sympathy for those caught doing PEDs now with the testing, and if someone were dumb enough to get 3 strikes, then I don't think they should ever be reinstated.
Yet gambling isn't illegal in this country, while steroids are.
