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BCubb2003 03-01-2010 11:10 AM
Q. and A. with C. Trent Rosecrans
 
I don't usually mix business and pleasure, but here's a Q. and A. with C. Trent (can't vouch for the knucklehead asking the questions):

http://blog.syracuse.com/future-news..._cnaticom.html

It's mostly about the news business, but here's a baseball-related excerpt:

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Where do you stand in the debate over old-school scouting and sabermetrics?

I believe there's a happy medium somewhere, but I lean heavily toward the numbers guys in most arguments. I used to be dead-set against silly acronyms and all that stuff, but then I started reading the reasoning, thought and research behind them. I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about sabermetrics. There's the whole "mom's basement" cliche that is just silly and played. At its base, the sabermetrics community is trying to better understand something they enjoy and questioning everything they know. To me, that's healthy thought -- of course, it can be taken to an unhealthy extreme, but it's still good to be out there. I don't know the math, but I enjoy the theory behind it and find it more honest than saying, "well, that's the way it's always been." There are things numbers don't tell you, but at least there's a reasoning behind it.

lollipopcurve 03-01-2010 11:15 AM
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C Trent on the lineup construction debate:

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Anyway, back to the lineup, I think I've been on record saying it's the most overrated and over-discussed thing in baseball. Lineup construction, and many studies will show you this, just don't really matter all that much. Naturally you want your better hitters getting more ABs, but beyond that... bleh, it's just white noise.

Spring~Fields 03-01-2010 12:24 PM
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Naturally you want your better hitters getting more ABs
Makes sense to me, especially when factoring in the entire seasons worth. Of course then there are some in charge out there that gives more AB to their weaker hitters, then they complain about not getting the break or not being able to score that needed run or two. Oh well, too deep for me. ;)

edabbs44 03-01-2010 12:27 PM
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Naturally you want your better hitters getting more ABs
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Originally Posted by Spring~Fields (Post 2030401)
Makes sense to me, especially when factoring in the entire seasons worth. Of course then there are some in charge out there that gives more AB to their weaker hitters, then they complain about not getting the break or not being able to score that needed run or two. Oh well, too deep for me. ;)
One of the most impressive displays of cherry-picking we've seen in quite a while.

Spring~Fields 03-01-2010 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by edabbs44 (Post 2030403)
One of the most impressive displays of cherry-picking we've seen in quite a while.
Really ? Why is that? I always thought that you were very good at being selective.

seˇlecˇtive [sə léktiv]
adj

2. not universal: applying to some but not others

edabbs44 03-01-2010 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Spring~Fields (Post 2030411)
Really ? Why is that? I always thought that you were very good at being selective.

seˇlecˇtive [sə léktiv]
adj

2. not universal: applying to some but not others
Look at the rest of his quote.

Spring~Fields 03-01-2010 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by edabbs44 (Post 2030412)
Look at the rest of his quote.
How is he doing anything so different from the rest of us? What makes him anymore remarkable or infallible than the rest of us?

nate 03-01-2010 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Spring~Fields (Post 2030401)
Makes sense to me, especially when factoring in the entire seasons worth. Of course then there are some in charge out there that gives more AB to their weaker hitters, then they complain about not getting the break or not being able to score that needed run or two. Oh well, too deep for me. ;)
That's pretty much what the entire debate is about. If all your hitters have similar ability, it doesn't matter where they hit. If they have disparate ability, the better hitters should hit earlier and the "fast guys," "defensive specialists" and pitchers should be hitting later. Squeezing every last drop of production out of one's lineup should net a team a few wins each season. I think this is one of the few ways a manager makes a difference in his team's record.

Maybe that doesn't matter if you're a second division club. But it matters a lot to one that's on the cusp.

Like the 2010 Reds might be.

Spring~Fields 03-01-2010 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nate (Post 2030429)
That's pretty much what the entire debate is about. If all your hitters have similar ability, it doesn't matter where they hit. If they have disparate ability, the better hitters should hit earlier and the "fast guys," "defensive specialists" and pitchers should be hitting later. Squeezing every last drop of production out of one's lineup should net a team a few wins each season. I think this is one of the few ways a manager makes a difference in his team's record.

Maybe that doesn't matter if you're a second division club. But it matters a lot to one that's on the cusp.

Like the 2010 Reds might be.
Nate you seriously write that so much better than I ever good. I wholely agree with each letter that you have written here. Good Job!

lollipopcurve 03-01-2010 01:58 PM
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Squeezing every last drop of production out of one's lineup should net a team a few wins each season. I think this is one of the few ways a manager makes a difference in his team's record.
So, hitting Phillips 6th would gain the Reds a few wins?

Ron Madden 03-01-2010 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by lollipopcurve (Post 2030447)
So, hitting Phillips 6th would gain the Reds a few wins?
In some situations it could.

(IMHO)

nate 03-01-2010 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron Madden (Post 2030465)
In some situations it could.

(IMHO)
Especially if a better hitter hits in the spot he vacated.

lollipopcurve 03-01-2010 02:45 PM
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Especially if a better hitter hits in the spot he vacated.
Rolen?
Bruce?

Ron Madden 03-01-2010 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lollipopcurve (Post 2030473)
Rolen?
Bruce?

I'd think that would depend on who the opposing starting pitcher is.

Hoosier Red 03-01-2010 03:23 PM
Re: Q. and A. with C. Trent Rosecrans
 
Not to interrupt a pissing match here but I'd like to take the point to pimp CNATI as much as possible.

C Trent's working his tail off trying to get that site going and it's certainly better to have more voices on the Reds and Tri-State sports.

Go check it out.

http://cnati.com/


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