# The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler

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• 04-12-2012, 04:09 PM
dougdirt
Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler
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Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY
Homer Bailey used to throw a split. Not positive but I think he still does.

He does, but it is generally classified as a change up.
• 04-12-2012, 04:24 PM
RANDY IN INDY
Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler
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Originally Posted by dougdirt
He does, but it is generally classified as a change up.

Makes no sense to list a pitch and th.en call it something else.
• 04-12-2012, 04:30 PM
dougdirt
Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler
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Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY
Makes no sense to list a pitch and th.en call it something else.

Well, I am assuming that AD took this from fangraphs. Fangraphs gets their data from Pitch F/X. Pitch F/X uses an algorithm that, while continuously improving, still classifies some pitches incorrectly. Even when you know what a pitch is supposed to move like, there are still guys out there who are trying to zoom in on video of certain pitchers/pitches to see the grip they are using because the pitch is tough to classify.
• 04-12-2012, 04:32 PM
reds44
Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler
I thought Chapman had never thrown a change up in his life?
• 04-12-2012, 04:33 PM
RANDY IN INDY
Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler
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Originally Posted by dougdirt
Well, I am assuming that AD took this from fangraphs. Fangraphs gets their data from Pitch F/X. Pitch F/X uses an algorithm that, while continuously improving, still classifies some pitches incorrectly. Even when you know what a pitch is supposed to move like, there are still guys out there who are trying to zoom in on video of certain pitchers/pitches to see the grip they are using because the pitch is tough to classify.

Baseball people know a split.
• 04-12-2012, 04:36 PM
dougdirt
Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler
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Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY
Baseball people know a split.

Baseball people don't classify the pitches for Pitch F/X, an algorithm does that is based on speed, movement and spin of the baseball. And I was just giving an example on how some guys go about trying to better determine the pitches that some guys are throwing.
• 04-12-2012, 04:40 PM
dougdirt
Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler
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Originally Posted by reds44
I thought Chapman had never thrown a change up in his life?

He hasn't in the Majors. Well, maybe one this year. The pitches are being misclassified.... or his change up moves exactly like his fastball does (change ups don't typically move like a fastball, they have more run/tail and sink than the fastball).
• 04-12-2012, 04:45 PM
reds44
Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler
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Originally Posted by dougdirt
He hasn't in the Majors. Well, maybe one this year. The pitches are being misclassified.... or his change up moves exactly like his fastball does (change ups don't typically move like a fastball, they have more run/tail and sink than the fastball).

Pitchers don't usually throw 102 with 93 MPH sliders either.
• 04-12-2012, 04:51 PM
RANDY IN INDY
Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler
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Originally Posted by dougdirt
Baseball people don't classify the pitches for Pitch F/X, an algorithm does that is based on speed, movement and spin of the baseball. And I was just giving an example on how some guys go about trying to better determine the pitches that some guys are throwing.

Exactly.
• 04-12-2012, 05:21 PM
jojo
Re: The Cincinnati Pitching Arsenal: Repertoire for Every Reds Hurler
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Originally Posted by RANDY IN INDY
Baseball people know a split.

Homer just doesn't know how to throw one.....
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