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cinreds21 10-11-2012 05:38 PM

Off-season Lookout
 
Under Contract:
Hanigan, Ryan: $2,050,000
Masset, Nick: $3,100,000
Cueto, Johnny: $7,400,000
Arroyo, Bronson: $11,500,000
Chapman, Aroldis: $2,00,000
Phillips, Brandon: $10,000,000
Votto, Joey: $17,000,000
Bruce, Jay: $7,500,000
Marshall, Sean: $4,500,000

Pre-Aribtration;
Frazier, Todd
Mesoraco, Devin
Cozart, Zack
Paul, Xavier
Heisey, Chris
LeCure, Sam
Hoover, J.J.
Cingrani, Tony
Ondrusek, Logan
Redmond, Todd
Gregorius, Didi
Lutz, Donald
Rodriguez, Henry
Soto, Neftali
Negron, Kris
Phipps, Denis

Arbitration-Eligible:
Valdez, Wilson
Bailey, Homer
Leake, Mike
Latos, Mat
Simon, Alfredo
Arredondo, José
Bray, Bill
Stubbs, Drew

Option:
Madson, Ryan: $11,000,000 Team Option, $2,500,000 buyout
Ludwick, Ryan: $5,000,000 Team Option, $500,000 buyout

Free Agent:
Broxton, Jonathan
Rolen, Scott
Cairo, Miguel
Navarro, Dioner

edabbs44 10-11-2012 06:06 PM

Re: Off-season Lookout
 
Isn't Ludwick on a mutual option?

Either way, looking good.

klw 10-11-2012 06:08 PM

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I really hope they are able to bring back Ludwick. He is a great fit for the team and has really been a great bat this year. He struggled early when his BABIP was so low but he was so clutch for so long. I wonder if he had not been hurt that last two weeks if the Reds would have ended up with the #1 seed. So many if's.

Caveat Emperor 10-11-2012 07:04 PM

Re: Off-season Lookout
 
As long as I never see Mike Leake in a Reds uniform again, I'll be happy.

dsmith421 10-11-2012 07:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor (Post 2763372)
As long as I never see Mike Leake in a Reds uniform again, I'll be happy.

Add Cairo and Stubbs.

camisadelgolf 10-11-2012 07:27 PM

Re: Off-season Lookout
 
I believe Ondrusek will likely be a Super Two.

camisadelgolf 10-11-2012 07:28 PM

Re: Off-season Lookout
 
Rolen is expected to retire.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...to-retire.html

Vottomatic 10-11-2012 07:52 PM

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I wish they could re-sign Broxton, Madson, and Navarro.
Move Chapman into the rotation if they re-sign Madson to be closer. I know the jury is still out on him coming back to his normal. I feel the starting rotation desperately needs a lefty.
Make a trade for a cleanup hitter. If not, re-sign Ludwick.
Make a trade for a true tablesetter. The 1 and 2 holes have been empty for too long.

dsmith421 10-11-2012 08:02 PM

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I think an upgrade at SS should also be on the table. Not convinced Cozart will ever be anything more than a .310 OBP guy, and that's just not good enough.

Wonderful Monds 10-11-2012 08:20 PM

Re: Off-season Lookout
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dsmith421 (Post 2763449)
I think an upgrade at SS should also be on the table. Not convinced Cozart will ever be anything more than a .310 OBP guy, and that's just not good enough.

Sometimes it has to be good enough. Can't have above average OBP or offense from every position. Zack is lower on the list of spots that need to be upgraded.

Lower than CF, 3B, and depending on what Ryan Ludwick does, LF.

alloverjr 10-11-2012 08:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds (Post 2763496)
Sometimes it has to be good enough. Can't have above average OBP or offense from every position. Zack is lower on the list of spots that need to be upgraded.

Lower than CF, 3B, and depending on what Ryan Ludwick does, LF.

Yeah, I'm fine with Cozart at SS provided he can hit 7/8 in the lineup. A real leadoff hitter to play either LF or CF and then move Phillips to the 2 hole. I'd prefer higher OB guys for both position at the sacrifice of power. This team this year was WAY too dependent on the long ball to win. They have enough power, especially in GABP, without needing to replace Ludwick with a power guy.

Somewhat concerned about 3B. Not sure Frazier's defense can be stomached an entire season.

Wonderful Monds 10-11-2012 08:36 PM

Re: Off-season Lookout
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alloverjr (Post 2763523)
Yeah, I'm fine with Cozart at SS provided he can hit 7/8 in the lineup. A real leadoff hitter to play either LF or CF and then move Phillips to the 2 hole. I'd prefer higher OB guys for both position at the sacrifice of power. This team this year was WAY too dependent on the long ball to win. They have enough power, especially in GABP, without needing to replace Ludwick with a power guy.

Somewhat concerned about 3B. Not sure Frazier's defense can be stomached an entire season.

I am too in regards to Frazier, and I don't think he is a starting caliber player offensively either. I like Frazier and don't want to be right about this. But after his tear in July/early August he kind of scuffled. Didn't hit but one HR for the rest of the year either.

dsmith421 10-11-2012 09:02 PM

Re: Off-season Lookout
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds (Post 2763528)
I am too in regards to Frazier, and I don't think he is a starting caliber player offensively either. I like Frazier and don't want to be right about this. But after his tear in July/early August he kind of scuffled. Didn't hit but one HR for the rest of the year either.

I tend to concur. I think Frazier is a nice guy to have around because of his versatility, but if there's a 3B solution out there, you take it and find a place for Todd.

By the way, I'm not saying cut bait on Cozart, I just think SS ought to be worth a look this offseason if there is a potential deal.

steig 10-11-2012 09:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dsmith421 (Post 2763578)
I tend to concur. I think Frazier is a nice guy to have around because of his versatility, but if there's a 3B solution out there, you take it and find a place for Todd.

By the way, I'm not saying cut bait on Cozart, I just think SS ought to be worth a look this offseason if there is a potential deal.

I agree on the 3rd base solution. I don't think it will happen because finding solutions at 3rd base is very difficult. But if it can be done I'll take my chances with Frazier in left.

Gallen5862 10-11-2012 09:11 PM

Re: Off-season Lookout
 
I would try to resign Jonathan Broxton and Dioner Navarro. I would try to rework Ryan Madson's contract and do a deal with Ryan Ludwick.


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