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With Oakland acquiring Chris Young to play center next season, Crisp could be available in a deal. He will be in the second year of a two year deal with an option for 2014. He could make a decent stopgap in center till Hamilton is ready to take over.
Do you think he is a better option in center and leading off than Stubbs?
Yes. I thought the Reds should have acquired him last year.
The Reds could stick Chris Heisey in center next year and do most of what Coco Crisp does but for cheaper. So that kind of acquisition seems redundant to me.
Can Chris Heisey SERIOUSLY sustain a .349 OBP* and steal 30+ bags? I think Crisp would be a HUGE upgrade for this team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brutus
*June - Sept 2012 for Crisp
I'm interested, but it depends on the cost.
I didn't realize doing it for half a year is "sustaining" it. Regardless, here is what the two players have sustained so far in their careers:Quote:
Originally Posted by mattfeet
Career wOBA:
Crisp (.322)
Heisey (.327)
Obviously Heisey's sample is much smaller, but not radically different results. Crisp had a .324 wOBA this year, Heisey a .313. Plucking out half a year for Crisp is a radically misleading narrative.
Many A's fans thought he was the team MVP last season. He's a very strong defensive CF, who can get on base much better than any Reds current outfielder.
The way the A's like to constantly get younger and cheaper, they'd probably take a package centered around Heisey.
Even if they're even offensively, Crisp blows Heisey away on defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brutus
OBP this year:Quote:
Originally Posted by 757690
Crisp .325, Heisey .315. Not much of a difference, really.
WAR calculations beg to differ, which I realize you'll dismiss out of hand. Nonetheless, Crisp has been barely an average outfielder over the past four seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by 757690
Heisey's never been a starter, and most of his starts have been in LF. His numbers aren't going to be an accurate reflection of what he would do as an everyday CF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brutus
It's kind of a moot point because whether or not Heisey is as good a CF as Crisp or only close to as good, I don't think the minimal upgrade is worth paying $7 million a year and investing resources into acquiring him to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by 757690
I'd rather save the $7 million and prospects and run out a guy that is going to produce most of the same production offensively and defensively.
I'm all for upgrading the position, but I don't see Crisp as much of one nor is it worth the cost of upgrading marginally.
I think as a starter in CF, Chris Heisey could be Willie Taveras bad, at least interns of overall production.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brutus
He's really not a starter. He's been matched up smartly by Dusty to maximize his value. Start him everyday and he'll likely underproduced Stubbs offensively, and be below average defensively.
I like him as a fourth outfielder, but never want to see him be the Reds starting center fielder.
The guy has over 900 plate appearances now. I think it's time to put to bed the notion that we'd see something less out of Heisey than we've already seen if that were the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by 757690
For the record, of his 900+ plate appearances, 650 of them have been against right-handed pitching. So he hasn't even really been utilized in a traditional platoon fashion as people suggest.
There's no evidence to suggest that Heisey would be any different as a starter than he's been in his nearly 1,000 plate appearances thus far. At that point, talent level is talent level. There are no secrets. Teams already know who he is through scouting reports. We've already seen what we should expect of him. Starting Heisey might not be ideal, but it's a lot more ideal to start him for league minimum than paying someone $7 million to put up the same production. And thus far, that's all Crisp has done.
The reason why you need around 1000 AB's to know what a player's true skill level is because usually around then, he will have faced every type of pitcher, and every type of situation multiple times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brutus
Heisey has mostly played against fastball pitchers, because he struggles against most off-speed stuff, especially from RH pitching. Play him everyday, against everyone, and his numbers will likely plummet.