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Degenerate39 11-08-2012 06:41 PM
Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger
 
Congrats to Jay. Hope you have a ton more

reds1869 11-08-2012 08:05 PM
Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger
 
Congratulations to Jay; he earned it!

Wonderful Monds 11-08-2012 08:08 PM
Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger
 
Wow. Ian Desmond is a lot better player than I thought.

westofyou 11-08-2012 08:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds (Post 2775285)
Wow. Ian Desmond is a lot better player than I thought.
SS hitting is all of the sudden back to 1980s level, low ob% some pop

Tadasimha 11-08-2012 10:20 PM
Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger
 
Not really sure how Strasburg won over Mike Leake.

Anyway, great job, Jay!

dougdirt 11-08-2012 10:26 PM
Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tadasimha (Post 2775319)
Not really sure how Strasburg won over Mike Leake.
Because Strasburg was better.

Leake - .295/.306/.443 with 1 walk and 20 strikeouts.
Strasburg - .277/.333/.426 with 3 walks and 13 strikeouts.

edabbs44 11-08-2012 10:30 PM
Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dougdirt (Post 2775320)
Because Strasburg was better.

Leake - .295/.306/.443 with 1 walk and 20 strikeouts.
Strasburg - .277/.333/.426 with 3 walks and 13 strikeouts.
Is one of those lines really better than the other?

dougdirt 11-08-2012 10:35 PM
Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by edabbs44 (Post 2775321)
Is one of those lines really better than the other?
Yes, it is.

Superdude 11-08-2012 10:39 PM
Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dougdirt (Post 2775320)
Because Strasburg was better.

Leake - .295/.306/.443 with 1 walk and 20 strikeouts.
Strasburg - .277/.333/.426 with 3 walks and 13 strikeouts.
Leake had 16 more plate appearances and more RC. I think Tony LaRussa is behind an underground movement to deny all recognition for Reds pitchers. Only explanation.

Tadasimha 11-08-2012 10:50 PM
Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dougdirt (Post 2775320)
Because Strasburg was better.

Leake - .295/.306/.443 with 1 walk and 20 strikeouts.
Strasburg - .277/.333/.426 with 3 walks and 13 strikeouts.
Hardly - Leake also scored 8 runs to Strasburg's 4, had 18 hits to Strasburg's 13, and Leake hit 2 homers to Strasburg's 1. Strasburg did have more RBIs than Leake, 7 to 3.

If this is a hitting award, Leake is the better hitter. Higher average, more hits, OBP and he hit more home runs.

dougdirt 11-08-2012 10:50 PM
Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superdude (Post 2775324)
Leake had 16 more plate appearances and more RC. I think Tony LaRussa is behind an underground movement to deny all recognition for Reds pitchers. Only explanation.
I will buy that he had more plate appearances, thus could have been of more value. But when looking at just the two lines, one is certainly stronger than the other.

cincinnati chili 11-08-2012 10:51 PM
Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger
 
Did Beltran not qualify as a RF? He was significantly better in the box than Bruce.

dougdirt 11-08-2012 10:52 PM
Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tadasimha (Post 2775327)
Hardly - Leake also scored 8 runs to Strasburg's 4, had 18 hits to Strasburg's 13, and Leake hit 2 homers to Strasburg's 1. Strasburg did have more RBIs than Leake, 7 to 3.

If this is a hitting award, Leake is the better hitter. Higher average, more hits, OPS and he hit more home runs.
Leake had a higher average. Strasburg had the higher OPS.

Strasburg had a stronger triple slash. By a decent margin.

Tadasimha 11-08-2012 11:00 PM
Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dougdirt (Post 2775330)
Leake had a higher average. Strasburg had the higher OPS.

Strasburg had a stronger triple slash. By a decent margin.
You're right - I wrote OPS when I meant SLG, not sure why.

I'll still take Leake as a hitter over Strasburg any day.

PuffyPig 11-09-2012 07:07 AM
Re: Jay Bruce 2012 Silver Slugger
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dougdirt (Post 2775330)
Leake had a higher average. Strasburg had the higher OPS.

Strasburg had a stronger triple slash. By a decent margin.
Strasburg's .759 vs. Leake's .749 is a marginal margin. It's less than an extra walk.


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