I apologize for the length of this post, but I’ve read through this entire thread, and like to weigh in with a few thoughts.
As one of the “old timers” around here, I remember what RedsZone used to be like and what it is now. In the beginning, RedsZone was like a neighborhood bar where “everybody knew your name.” Even during game threads, we’d follow the game, and because we didn’t want to switch to the non-baseball forum during the game, we’d catch up on family stuff and even toss in some current affairs/political stuff. There were just a few of us and game threads would only be 8-10 pages.
And if a Reds hitter struck out, we ragged on him simply because the pitcher made him look foolish. At least, if the hitter made contact, he didn’t look so incompetent. We didn’t know too much about OBP and OBS. We figured that since BA and RBI were good enough for the backs of the baseball cards we grew up with, then they were good enough for us, too. And WHIP was either something my dad did to me because I sassed him, or something you bought at your local ice cream stand. We were just Reds fans who got together and became friends because of our love for the Reds. We had folks who would be privy to “inside scoops” and we’d share Reds news and discuss Jim Bowden’s latest antics.
And, I might add, the team was worse then than now, but somehow we managed to express our “frustration” with the team, front office, etc. without ticking off everyone else in the forum. And if we disagreed, no one felt the need to “convince” everyone to our way of thinking. No one needed to feel like they needed to be an expert in the art of debate techniques, before they felt free to express their opinion. Most of us did not join RedsZone because we enjoyed debate. We just wanted someplace to hang out with friends who were Reds fans, and get away from strife and turmoil that most of us face everyday with our lives.
But RedsZone is no longer the quiet neighborhood bar. It has grown and nobody even cares about your name. It’s a shame, but some of those friends who used to frequent here are long gone. I don’t know if they are on other boards or have snuck back in under new screen names or what. And I must say that I have been tempted to follow them.
I don’t know that RedsZone can be “fixed” to every one’s satisfaction.
The reputation point system has really not solved anything. It was a good attempt by those in charge, but it is far too subjective to really do any good. I communicated with one poster a couple months after the rep system started. He told me that someone had given him five positive rep points for a comment he made, and someone else gave him five negative rep points for the same exact comment. Let’s face it, regardless of what the rules are for giving rep points, ultimately, if you agree with somebody, you’re going to give them positive rep points, and if you disagree, you’re going to give negative rep points.
We old-timers need to understand that it will never go back to the way it used to be. We can adapt and learn. I have found out what OBP and OBS means. And I discovered that WHIP doesn’t actually involve my dad’s belt. As long as the Batting Average fans can keep their BA without being criticized, and the OBP fans can keep their OBP without being criticized, RedsZone will remain the premier choice of Reds fans everywhere.