Originally Posted by Handofdeath
...and as a pitching coach the guy who made Greg Maddux a Hall of Famer.
Didn't know Pole was spelled "M-a-z-z-o-n-e".
Or maybe an outlier like Greg Maddux was going to be Greg Maddux regardless of who his pitching coach was? Seems a better theory than crediting a pitching coach with turning a 21-year-old who took the same lumps most 21-year-old's take (19 years ago) into a Hall-of-Famer. Again, 19 years ago. In a game ruled by "What have you done for me lately", 19 years ago doesn't seem to fit the definition of "lately". Heck, if we want to look at "lately", we could consider Tom Hume, who was passed over for the job, to be the guy who turned Bronson Arroyo into an All Star. But then, I expect that correlation isn't any more causality than Dick Pole Re: Greg Maddux.
And it appears no one noticed what the following quote (attributed to Pole by Maddux) translates to:
"Why don't you stop trying to strike guys out? Just try to get them out, and you'll probably strike out just as many guys, if not more."
Translation: "Pitch to contact."
My apologies in advance if you perceive that any of my venom is directed at you, Handofdeath. It's not. I'm just completely ticked off that we've been there and done that and now we're back after a five-minute search for the best possible option at pitching coach.
But being connected (even loosely) with someone like Greg Maddux can perpetuate a career, that's for sure. Since then, I haven't seen anything remotely resembling a real reason to give Dick Pole the job of Pitching Coach at the Major League level. But not only do the Reds do it- they take five minutes to do it. Now they've got a "first chance" hitting coach and a "last chance" pitching coach. And I'm about 100 times more enthused about the unknown of Jacoby than I am about Dick Pole.
However, I'd be twice as enthused about Dick Pole if his middle name were Harry.
Look, I know you're just trying to be hopeful, so I'm not going to address the Krivsky and Narron points (particularly as they've been covered ad nauseum). That'd start some tangents we really don't need on the thread.