Originally Posted by Puffy
But Dave, as we see so far this offseason, players like Kearns and Lopez have more value in the offseason then a month before the trade deadline.
Thats really what people like myself were objecting to - not that Kearns and Lopez were untouchable - rather that it was a bad time to move them and that they got less value than I/we felt they could have.
If Krivsky caried them into the offseason, put them on the market, let it be known that he was "testing the waters" but nothing more (wink, wink) he most likely could have gotten more for them. Again, like I stated at the time of the trade, it was the bundling plus the return that I hated. Trade Lopez for Bray and I'd have been fine with it. Then you'd have Kearns as a chip this offseason.
As for the stay in contention part, well I never felt the Reds had a shot. Yes, I was in the minority, and the way things fell I will concede I was wrong (but who could have predicted 80 wins would keep them in contention until the final week) but I thought the Reds could make other moves that would have keep them in "contention" while still keeping trading chips.
After all, you and I agree that this being Krivsky's first offseason, this is where he craps or gets off the pot. I'm sure we'd both like it if he had more ammo.
Yeah, I know. I get it that most folks weren't objecting to getting rid of them, but rather the timing and the return.
I still don't begrudge him for the move. It took a lot of guts to pull the trigger, and the reward if it went the way he thought it would could have been considerable.
Remember, the offense went in the tank in the second half for more reasons than those two leaving.
I'm not trying to start another discussion over the trade. I respect the well thought out and well expressed opinions of both sides, oddly enough, yours included.
I think you have to try to discern the motivation and mindset behind the move from every possible angle to really rate it. Also, let's see how the players traded on both side perform this year too.
But I definitely see the point of anyone who thinks we got too little for Kearns and Lopez. To me, it's more than that, it's the potential opportunity that was slipping through our fingers when the deal went down. We were a sinking ship, and the bullpen was the main culprit, IMO.