Originally Posted by Kc61
I don't see how these numbers show Saarloos to be inferior. Belisle had a better ERA -- but pitched only 40 innings all last year and has back problems. Ramirez was injured last year and, while a decent prospect, hardly showed last year that he is ready to pitch consistently in the majors. Santos' 5.70 ERA is rather high.
Ultra low K Rate, high HR Rate (while pitching in a good park to suppress HR), high Walk Rate and tons of baserunners. Guys who strike out fewer hitters while walking more and giving up more home runs are generally worse pitchers no matter what the ERA may say.
All three miss a lot more bats than Saarloos and allow fewer HR and Santos and Ramirez both have much better control.
None of these guys are studs. I just don't see how a team can give up anything remotely useful for a guy like Saarloos. I like that Shafer had options and could be stashed. That alone gives him more value than Saarloos given the Reds roster glut. The Reds are going to lose some other pitchers when the roster is pared to 25. As I see it, those pitchers are at least as likely to be effective as Saarloos is and it wouldn't have cost Shafer to keep one of those instead. Another move (say Lohse or Milton traded for something) would also make this move look better.
As I posted earlier in one of these threads, if injuries to the current guys are worse than advertised then this move make more sense.
I don't like this move, but its still WK's best move of the offseason.