Originally Posted by Ltlabner
And what exactly does a person who murders, rapes and reeks havoc on society have to live for? What sort of great things have they aspired to? What sort of great positive imprints have they made on society?
Are the folks who commit crimes worthy of the death penalty generally carving out some great lives for themselves? Are they on some upward path in life? Are they on the verge of "turning it all around"?
Do these kinds of people sit around and pontificate the meaning of freedom? Do they consider the essense of anything worth living for? Do they see innocence and seek to protect it?
No. They kill. They rape. They take away all of these things from innocent people. They destroy things that are good. They can't fathom the concepts we hold dear, because they seek to destroy them. They couldn't begin to relate to "freedom" and "life" and "responsibility" otherwise they'd have made far different choices and wouldn't be killing and raping.
If you truely understand freedom, you would never, ever consider taking it away from someone else. You may be tempted, especially under emotional distress, but you wouldn't act on it when push came to shove.
Sure, if you ask the average inmate if they'd rather be free they'll say yes. But I'd suggest that if you can't even understand, relate to, or identify with the concepts of freedom, locking you in a cell doesn't even begin to dent the surface of 'punishment'.
I don't understand how your post relates back to what I was saying. You seem to have an idea that people who have committed very serious crimes are living a life they are not. Many maximum-security prisons in this country involve solitary confinement in a tiny windowless room for up to 23 hours a day. There is no work. There is no exercise. There is no "entertainment". I hear this argument a lot, that taxpayers are paying for prisoners to do things that they're simply not. Not these prisoners.
To me, that IS punishment. That is saying: we're giving you nothing else to do, literally nothing else on earth, but to think about what you did until your body gives out. It doesn't have to do with rehabilitation or freedom. It's punishment. It's really quite simple. The death penalty, by contrast, is revenge. It has far more to do with appeasing those left on earth than it does punishing the perpetrator.