Originally Posted by jojo
Both are flawed but winshares is especially so concerning defense.
They're all flawed. I look for a preponderance. If most ratings like a guy then I go with that. I don't have a pet favorite as there's really nothing that's established itself as consistent and reliably accurate (e.g. you can't compare RZRs from 2005 to the ones being used today because the zones changed). IMO, you can't put your eggs in one defensive basket. There's also some common sense to be applied. Cameron's been a central actor in top tier defenses for nine years running. The Padres, Mariners and Reds took big DER jumps when he showed up. Could the Padres lead all of MLB in DER last season and rank 6th this season carrying an anchor in CF? Probably not. Things go right when he's around. Red Auerbach had a classic line about Sam Jones when it was pointed out that Jones seemingly suffered from a skill deficit - "All I know is when I put him in the game we start scoring more than the other team." Cameron's kind of like that. Intuitively speaking, too much goes right when he's around for him not to be responsible for a healthy part of it.