Originally Posted by mlbfan30
I made an argument for Dickerson and my comp froze. The basic idea was the even if he's below replacement offensively, he'll still be above in defense.
A comp is Corey Patterson who has similar defensive skills. Dickerson is better getting BBs but Patterson is better in power and SB by a slim margin. Dickerson's career OPS is .758 while Patterson's is .712 with a career 83 OPS+.
Patterson has been good enough to be an everyday starter for his entire career. What makes Dickerson so bad that Patterson is considered a starter and Dickerson as a 5th OF at best. It's not the K rate.
Dickerson won't make the team, yet Hopper is considered a 4th OF and many fans want him to start. Hopper has a .678 OPS compared to .758 for Dickerson. They both have the same speed and the same fielding ability.
Dickerson is good enough to be a starter and not be a wasted roster spot. He might be a little below avg offensively, but well above defensively and could be an AVG CF.
That's why there is 2 sides to every coin, stats aren't enough to understand the differences in those 3 players. You have to look at why those guys are putting up the #'s that they are and how their deficiencies translate to the bigs, that is the scouting side of it.
I don't know for sure about Corey Patterson but my guess is that his problem is something that can be fixed but he just hasn't been able to make the proper adjustments (i.e plate discipline, pitch recognition, holes in his swing etc.) for whatever reason. Whereas Dickerson's problem seem to be less overall defiencies but one big deficiency that cannot be corrected perse.
It has been alledged at some point that Dickerson has below avg bat speed, and that my friend is a huge problem that cannot necc. be overcome by making some sort of adjustment. Sure he could likely minimize it by becoming ultra selective, being excellent with his pitch recognition, being extremely well prepared, keep his swing as short and compact as possible w/o losing too much pop and the like but he ultimately is handicapped to begin with.
Hopper is similiar to Dickerson in that he lacks a certain talent which is raw power. However the difference is that Hopper doesn't necc. need power to be a productive piece of a puzzle and unlike Dickerson his talent can be improved albeit not by much. The thing about Hopper is that if he could sharpen some of his other skills (plate discipline) and work the count more and take some BB's he becomes even more valuable.
One guy has below avg skills (Patterson), and the other (Dickerson) has below avg talent. Skills can be sharpened, talent is what it is. Hopper is sorta in between.