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01-16-2008, 10:55 AM   #26
RedsManRick
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Re: Good Thread Idea on the Sun Deck--Cluch Project

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 Originally Posted by edabbs44 I didn't say it should be measured and that's it. I said it should be measured on coming through in pressure situations. If someone wants to quantify that statement, then have fun trying to do it. But I already know how to measure it. It can be measured by watching the games and seeing when that person performs well in those situations.
"measured and that's it"? Huh? What does that even mean and when did I suggest it? Of course any measurement is going to be based on some definition of the thing you're trying to measure. That goes without saying. So... "coming through in pressure situations". Sounds like all we need to do is define coming through and define pressure situations, compare them on a player by player basis, and viola!

Why do we want to quantify it? Because no single person has watched every game, watched every at bat, and remembers them all clearly. Because we all have different definitions of what a "pressure" situation is and what "coming through" looks like in those situations. Because some people view clutch as performing the best overall in those situations and some people see it as raising one's game in those situations. People are incredibly biased even when it comes to intuitively measuring things that have fixed definitions. Throw in a vague definition of the thing being measured and we might as well be asking what good music sounds like.

We all have our own biases and definitions. The use of a metric allows us to accept a common definition and measuring stick. The metric itself is certainly up for debate. I think we can all agree that no metric could possibly capture every pressure situation in all their varying degrees and all the types of "coming through". But we have to start somehwere. And given that, I think Tango has taken an interesting approach. He's not trying to measure it absolutely. He simply wants us to answer the following question: If your team is at bat and faces crucial situation in a ballgame, who do you most want to be hitting?