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BLEEDS · 02-06-2008, 11:33 AM

Depends on what you call "long term". 3 years or over? I've LOVED all the deals the new FO has signed:

Dunn, 3 years $30.5M (including option year)
Harang, 4 years $36.5 + 5th year $12.75M option
Gonzo, 3 years $14M + $6M mutual option
Arroyo, 2 years $25M (includes $2.5M bonus) + 3rd year (2011, same as Harang) option for $11M
Cordero, 4 years $46M + 5th year $12M option

It's actually the SHORT TERM (under 3) deals that I HATE - given guaranteed money to fringe/unproven players:

Stanton, 2 years $7M, with a third year that can vest for $2.5M
Freel, 2 years $7M
Ross, 2 years $4.5M + option for 3rd at $3.5M
Castro, 2 years $2M (05-06+07 option), 07 was buyout for $50K, and INSTEAD they signed him to a new contract in 07 for 2 yrs $2M + option for 09 at $1.1M

Talk about wastes of space, that money could have been spent better. Arguably, only Ross is worth anything, but his hitting was a one-year wonder, so we're stuck with paying him $2.25M in 08 for defense and a HOPE.

I'd rather be taking fliers on those reclamation projects and scrap-heap pitchers with that cash.

PEACE

-BLEEDS

02-06-2008, 11:33 AM	#8
BLEEDS Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 2,128	Re: Long Term Goals Depends on what you call "long term". 3 years or over? I've LOVED all the deals the new FO has signed: Dunn, 3 years $30.5M (including option year) Harang, 4 years $36.5 + 5th year $12.75M option Gonzo, 3 years $14M + $6M mutual option Arroyo, 2 years $25M (includes $2.5M bonus) + 3rd year (2011, same as Harang) option for $11M Cordero, 4 years $46M + 5th year $12M option It's actually the SHORT TERM (under 3) deals that I HATE - given guaranteed money to fringe/unproven players: Stanton, 2 years $7M, with a third year that can vest for $2.5M Freel, 2 years $7M Ross, 2 years $4.5M + option for 3rd at $3.5M Castro, 2 years $2M (05-06+07 option), 07 was buyout for $50K, and INSTEAD they signed him to a new contract in 07 for 2 yrs $2M + option for 09 at $1.1M Talk about wastes of space, that money could have been spent better. Arguably, only Ross is worth anything, but his hitting was a one-year wonder, so we're stuck with paying him $2.25M in 08 for defense and a HOPE. I'd rather be taking fliers on those reclamation projects and scrap-heap pitchers with that cash. PEACE -BLEEDS __________________ I think that in a year or two, one of these guys - Frazier, Dorn, Valaika, Cumberland, Stubbs - will be ready to replace Dunn. They won't hit as many home runs as Dunn, but they should have similar OPS. - 757690, July 22, 2008 Alonso will be playing 1B for the REDS and batting 4th one year from today. - Kingspoint, July 9, 2009