Originally Posted by Spring~Fields
REDREAD, I give up too, read the fine print and disclaimer. You're too quick to cherry pick selectively for me. That is why I responded that way to you, and have recently, you do that frequently, cherry pick, some line or two, and blow off the rest. We all do. but sometimes that doesn't cover it.
That wasn't intended.. I thought you were asking feedback on your proposed deal..
If you were talking in general terms, I will say that I don't know how we could trade for Masterson without giving up a young talent like Burton in return. If the Red Sox needed a DH/1b, I'm sure they'd prefer Votto to Dunn..
My take on Arroyo is that the Reds are better off holding on to him and hoping he bounces back. No point in selling him for pennies on the dollar. No point in giving him away just to get payflex. Part of the "plan" to turn this team around depends on Arroyo getting straightened out. Then he can either contribute or be traded for something that is actually useful in the future.
Sure, go ahead and shop Arroyo just in case someone is willing to offer something attractive, but don't go out looking to dump him.
As far as Dunn goes, the time to trade him and get a decent return has long passed. I said this many years ago.. every year that we keep Dunn, his value goes down because he's getting older, closer to FA, and more expensive. Not many people agreed at the time, but it's true. There are many parallel examples.. For example, the Red Sox put Manny Ramerez on waivers a few years ago and no one claimed him, despite the fact that Manny is very productive on the field. Anyhow, the point is that the last real opportunity to trade Dunn was last July, before his trade restrictions kicked in. Obviously, trading him before then would've netted an even bigger return.
The Reds decided that Dunn was part of their neartime plans.. Right or wrong, they have to live with that decision now, because part of the cost for having Dunn for the last few years is that now he's not worth much on the trade market.