Originally Posted by Ltlabner
The irony is I am a big believer in team chemistry and that fuzzy clubhouse stuff. Hell, I've agrued FOR it many times in my early RZ carear.
Of coruse you want to paint me as a "stats" person which is equally laughable as I know how to interpret exactly one set of numbers. Wheeeee I love numbers! Ask RMR, Steel or Cyclone if they consider me a "stats" person. They might choke out a "no" in between fits of laughter. Of corse, what you are doing is trying to minimize my response and change the subject because your position is untenable. Perhaps a comment about my spelling is in order? Serriously, you couldn't be more off-base in your attempt to shift the argument.
What you identify as "apathy" I identify as "incompetance" or "inablity to acomplish a goal" or "dear in the headlights". I don't doubt that those guys want to win, they just don't know how to (because they can't). It's not because they don't understand that scoring runs is important. You want to defeat insecurity in a child? Help them acomplish something on their own. You want to destroy apthy on a baseball team? Give them the tallent to win.
You can try to hang this around Dunn neck all you want. As if he became Judge Wapner in the clubhouse BPhil would learn to lay off the down-away slider or EE wouldn't wing a ball into the stands now and again? And with this group, even if Dunn became super-clubhouse-leader-guy what's that going to do? Win 3 more games? 5? Whoopie. And what about Harrang? He isn't exactly a fire & brimstone guy. Why haven't you dinged him?
You worry about the "chemistry" after you assemble the tallent. Even then you can live without it if you have enough tallent.
Um, no one is trying to hang anything around Dunn's neck. I am saying he is one of many Reds in this current era who accepted things the way they are and actually seemed to have an affinity for perceiving that winning isn't all that big a deal around here. If you would read again, you would see my mentions of Arroyo and Graves. The list is long of guys who are comfortable in Cincy and are just fine with a team attitude of "go get 'em tomorrow boys, can't win 'em all." All that your above arguments/rants do is put more straw in your strawman, as in I have not been suggesting what you are suggesting.